dmcnews-digest Thursday, November 5 1998 Volume 03 : Number 438
In this issue:
Re: DML: De Lorean Limo??
DML: Rear Window Modification
DML: Re: Engine stall
DML: RE: Re: Engine stall
DML: posting, help wanted engine operation
Re: DML:Monstertruck
RE: DML: Delorean body repair
DML: Re remote door release.
DML: Re: posting, help wanted engine operation
DML: Braided SS Brake Lines
Re: DML:Monstertruck
DML: Windows
Re: DML: Braided SS Brake Lines
DML:Monstertruck
DML: re: 4x4 D pictures
DML: RE: automatic opening doors
Re: DML: silver wheels
DML: [long] new/old dml'r
DML: JZD's patents
Re: DML: Windows
DML: Grey rims for sale
DML: Possible fuel pump problems
DML: DeLorean Limo / Custom Fiberglass...
DML: Re: Possible Fuel Pump Problems
Re: DML: Where to get Battery Buddy?
DML: Firestar 500
DML: Headliner removal
Re: DML: Windows
Re: DML: Firestar 500
Re: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
Re: DML: Windows
Re: DML: Firestar 500
DML: Body Damage (was: WTB: Passenger side fender (front)
Re: DML: Re remote door release.
Re: DML: Firestar 500
DML: Antennea relay power
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:18:17 EST
From: ShadowDMC@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: De Lorean Limo??
In a message dated 11/3/98 12:27:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
eddie5150@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< When I went to the 1997 DeLorean Midwest Connection Fall Technical
Session I overheard Don Steger talking about his dream to build a
four-door DeLorean, or a limo Delorean.
>>
This is not a compleatly absurd idea. In Miami we have a Hummer Limo,
and I
think someone in New York made a limo out of a mid 90s Corvette. It's not
totally out of the question.
Orlando Lopez
#06882
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:48:41 -0800
From: Jason Perkins <jperkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Rear Window Modification
This past weekend I was asked a question I have yet to have seen posted-
and
could not find any information in past posts. Though it may not seem that
important (especially to those who have mechanical problems), I admit it
had
me wondering. The question was as follows:
Since the DeLorean has such a poor fresh airflow, due to it's small
windows,
has there ever been any modifications to the rear window that has helped
in
providing a better circulation? I.E. The Honda Civic Del-Sol has a rear
window that goes down; Many pickup trucks have the option to open a
sliding
rear window.
Why would you want to make such a change.... Well that's another post in
itself!
Jason T. Perkins
#16665
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 09:52:39 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Engine stall
Michael Pack said:
> My girlfriend washed the car and after some stainless polish we
> went for a sunday drive.... about 30 min later the engine quit. We
> restarted 4 times in less than 5 minutes. We rested for about 25
> minutes and then restarted and drove home. I have not driven the
> car since sunday.
You haven't given us much info, but my instinct says this is a simple
problem related to the fuel tank. Perhaps you were just low on fuel and /
or your fuel tank baffel / inlet assembly is loose inside the tank. A
loose
fuel inlet wandering around in the tank can cause a DeLorean to stall at
random. You might also have a small leak in your inlet hose; that can
have a simlar but less random effect.
The questions might provide clues:
Just before the engine died, did it sputter at all? Did it stumble or
stall out
while braking or turning corners? Does your fuel gauge read
accurately? If you fill the tank all the way, does the car run just fine?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:32:46 -0500
From: Chris Coplen <Blarness@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Re: Engine stall
Mine used to do that too. It used to do it when it rained as well. I =
changed the cap, rotor, wires, plugs and timed it. It never did it =
again. I have to give my DeLorean a "tune" up like this every 6000 =
miles to prevent that from happening. It develops quite a bit of scale =
on the terminals inside the cap. I don't know why. I don't drive it =
that much. I do live in Michigan where it gets wet quite a bit.
Chris
#3876
Lic "GIGAWAT"
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Pack [SMTP:mpack1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 8:22 AM
To: dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Re: Engine stall
>Hello all
>
>Another day with the D.
>
>My girlfriend washed the car and after some stainless polish we went for a
>sunday drive.... about 30 min later the engine quit. We restarted 4 times
>in less than 5 minutes. We rested for about 25 minutes and then
>restarted and drove home. I have not driven the car since sunday.
>
>What do you think the problem is??
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:45:17 EST
From: Deluxeauto@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: posting, help wanted engine operation
1981 runs like there is a major vacuum leak with NO throttle
control. Runs rough at idle and by moving sensor plate engine
RPM picks up and engine smooths out. Throughout, there is a bad
odor, most of which is unburned fuel.
There is adequate spark, ignition wires and timing has been check
by three different knowledgeable people at least 6 times and
there is no discernable vacuum leak checking with propane.
There is seemingly plenty of vacuum at the cold start
valve/auxiliary air pipe join, yet there is a definite loss of
vacuum at the manifold. The loss is huge judging by the fact
that we can block off the air inlet at the sensor plate
completely and the engine will still continue to run!
This all started out as just a simple "tune-up" with new rotor,
cap, plugs and wires. The cap, rotor and wires appeared to be
original and the plugs had been miscapped at perhaps .010 inches.
The mixture control unit with the inter inlet manifold were
removed as a unit allowing us to gain access to the distributor.
The old cap and rotor match up well to the new.
Before anything was done, the engine ran and was driveable with
positive throttle control. There was some minor idle seeking +/-
a few hundred RPM and fairly smooth running and acceleration.
Under load and at higher speeds, it would have a pronounced miss-
kind of what you would expect on a 71,000 mile engine with poor
plugs, wires, cap and rotor.
Remember there is no throttle control!
By the way, my son had just purchased the car a few weeks
earlier.
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:58:34 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML:Monstertruck
>From what I understand.. IT IS REAL!
Joe Palatinus wrote:
>
> But, on the same note.. I always get a kick out of this guy:
> http://www.in2time.com/
> and speaking of weird modified deloreans, anyone have the picture of the
> Monster Truck DMC?
> I have a picture of it but the site I found it on no longer exists. I
> scanned in the printed copy of the picture and uploaded it to my friends
> web site so excuse the quality. it is at
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3870/monsterd.GIF to be quite
> honest
> with you I thought it was real.
> Joe P.
> Vin 0006808
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:01:01 -0500 (EST)
From: DJS912@xxxxxxxxx (Danny Smith)
Subject: RE: DML: Delorean body repair
Chis - I spoke to a guy at the bodyshop of Pfeiffer Linc.-Murc
(Grand Rapids, Mi.) a few days ago concerning my door ding. His name is
Scott, and he said they could most likely take care of it in 1 day (but
you know how that can go),although he told me not to expect to be able
to wait there for it. G.R. is about 3 hrs. each way from the Det. area,
so this could involve lots of driving and following.
But in response to your post, I found the opposite to be true - he was
very encouraging about working on our D's
Dan
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:22:13 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re remote door release.
Darryl Tinnerstet, who owns Specialty Automotive, has all the answers to
the Remote Door Release. He is in McCleary,WA Phone: 360-495-4640
Fax: 360-495-4680 darryl@xxxxxxxxxxxx . He sells complete plans
with photographs and diagrams and where to buy the solenoids that will
work.
It should be no problem with the extra weight in the doors. IF it does
not "spring" all the way up just do the regular adjustment on the
torsion bar a notch.
I know of several who have this installed. Like Darryl says, it is fun
to head for your car in the super market parking lot, hit the button,
and without breaking your stride, slip into the seat!
To make it even more spectacular, you might install the remote start
setup like I have!
Murray Fisher
VIN:05962 Lic:DMC-XII
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:47:41 -0600
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: posting, help wanted engine operation
> There is seemingly plenty of vacuum at the cold start
> valve/auxiliary air pipe join, yet there is a definite loss of
> vacuum at the manifold. The loss is huge judging by the fact
> that we can block off the air inlet at the sensor plate
> completely and the engine will still continue to run!
>
> The mixture control unit with the inter inlet manifold were
> removed as a unit allowing us to gain access to the distributor.
> The old cap and rotor match up well to the new.
Check the rubber gasket, part #102772, between the throttle valve ass'y
and
the mix unit's lower housing. This gasket is actually two rubber coated
plates sandwiched together by a thick rubber center section. The center
rubber section can tear if your not careful when removing the manifolding,
throttle linkage and such while removeing the fuel mix unit. If it tears
it
leaves a huge vacuum leak and it becomes very difficult to control the
throttle. I use carb cleaner to look for vacuum leaks. I think it's a bit
safer than propane. This may not be your problem but your discription
certainly sounds like it is. You should be able to get the part through a
Volvo dealer but he'll most likely have to order it. The DeLorean shops
might be a better choice.
You should also check the auxilary air pipe
that goes from the idle control motor into the lower housing of the mix
unit. It's a bugger to get back right as it's hard to see. Without it
inserted into the mix unit, you have a hole bigger than your thumb sucking
air in.
Bruce Benson
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:13:50 EST
From: WINGD2@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Braided SS Brake Lines
It seems some of the braided SS brake line kits have gotten to some of
the
owners on this list and it has generated new interest from some of their
buddies after seeing them. Since they were "made to order" the last time,
and
I have no extra sets left over, we're going to do it one more time, just
like
befor.
The kits we're talking about are braided stainless steel brake lines
which
replace the stock rubber brake hoses on the Delorean. These kits were
developed by myself and a friend who is the senior engineer for a company
in
the OEM automotive hose business in Europe. They are a top quality
product and
are made specifically as an exact replacement for the stock lines on the
car.
They are a 4 line kit and meet USA-DOT and European-TUV standards and are
approved for highway use.
Cost is $120 per set. Est'd delivery is 3 to 4 weeks.
Like befor, if you're interested in a set, e-mail me and let me know.
The
way we work it is, You send me a check to hold your kit. I'll place your
check
in my file drawer until I receive the kits. When I ship your kit to you,
I'll
deposit your check. If, for some reason, the kits don't make it, I'll
return
your check.
Send your check to: Marty Maier
704 Valley Drive
East Alton, ILL 62024
Comments from the guys who have kits are welcome.
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:41:00 -0800
From: bpayne@xxxxxxxxxx (Brandon J. Payne)
Subject: Re: DML:Monstertruck
>>From what I understand.. IT IS REAL!
>
Is it a fake?! I have the picture from Car and Driver, and it sure
looks
real to me.
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:13:47 EST
From: Jimbo0946@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Windows
Just wondering, what would it take to convert the side windows of the
DeLorean
to regular full size windows? I remember reading somewhere that one guy
did
this conversion, but it cost him $10,000. Sounds kind of steep.
JimmyC
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:18:04 EST
From: JSteuben@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Braided SS Brake Lines
Hi Marty,
Funny you should mention the S.S. brake lines. I just put the set you
sent me
on the car and....Bravo! Thanks again, Joe
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 98 18:32:56 MST
From: <PhillipsJT00.CS09.USAFA@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML:Monstertruck
The monster truck is real. A while back it was talked about on the list
and
several members have seen it driving around at car shows and Vegas. I
believe
the body is sitting on a Chevy Blazer frame.
Jeff Phillips
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:19:53 -0800
From: DeLorean <delorean@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re: 4x4 D pictures
Hi,
I have two versions of the 4x4 DeLorean picture, one is the full page
and the other is enlarged so the writing can be read, if anybody would
like these pictures feel free to mail me or wait a few days and ill post
them on my site.
John Heflin
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/mezzanine/1507
Also, would Ian Foster please send me an email, your address was somehow
deleted from my puter, meaning I no longer have it, and I need to get in
touch with you. Sorry to use the list for this, thanks.
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:58:27 +0000
From: "darryl@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <darryl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: automatic opening doors
I can provide a how-to on this. Its a great effect I've added to several
of
my DeLoreans over the years. Its not all that difficult, and uses either
a
keyless entry or alarm system for activation. Contact me directly, or I
believe it will be published in an upcoming 'zine, right James?
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
4 LaBelle Lane
McCleary, WA 98557
PH: 360-495-4640
FAX: 360-495-4680
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:51:27 -0600
From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: silver wheels
I have another dark gray rear wheel. Who knows your car my be the one
that I
owned 12 years ago. Apparently the car, after I traded it in, went to
Maine or
Boston area. Does it have a black interior, a GM fan motor and a gas flap
in
the hood?
Anyone need a dark gray rear wheel for a friendly price? ( They sell for
about
$400.00 - friendly is about $250.00 to your door)
I also have two extra DMC shop manuals for a friendly price. (Twenty five
dollars to your door)
D.J. LaForge wrote:
> My black 1981 D has three original silver wheels, and one gray one.
> Apparently the previous owner replaced the driver's side rear wheel at
> some
> point with one that doess not match the others. I need to find someone,
> preferably in northern CA, with a good condition sliver wheel for sale. I
> would also like to trade or sell my excellent condition gray wheel.
>
> I would appreciate any clues as to where I might look for this... Thanks!
>
> -D.J. LaForge
>
> VIN 07135
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:16:36 +0000
From: "darryl@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <darryl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: [long] new/old dml'r
Now that I'm finally online and officially a DMCNews subscriber, I wanted
to
take this opportunity to introduce myself to the list readers. Many of
you
know me and my mail-order DeLorean parts business, Specialty Automotive,
which has been selling new and used parts for nearly 13 years. In that
time
I've owned 6 DeLoreans, including the "81 mile found-in-a-bedroom" car now
in Switzerland, and my well-known supercharged Chevy powered daily
driver.
I also dismantled 6 more cars, adding to my stock of over 10,000 parts.
But
in February '96 my life took a nasty turn, and my business was an
unfortunate casualty. And I'm sure a lot of people wondered just what had
happened.
After 25 years my marriage fell apart, due to long standing difficulties,
and I moved out. I had been holding off until my 2 kids got out of
school,
but didn't quite make it. Anyway, the divorce was legal hell, with her
stealing some $14,000 worth of left fenders and other parts, and as many
of
you apparently know also doing her best to ruin me. I ended up getting
most
of the parts back (they had been awarded to me, but she took them anyway),
and eventually got my house, shop, parts, both DeLoreans, both kids, and
the
dog back. $40,000 in legal fees later I was finally free.
During all this I was so fed up I vowed to never get involved with anyone
again, and to make sure was not even dating. But an interesting thing
happened. I went to my 30th high school class reunion, and got talking
to a
woman there who I've known since we were 7 (who I had seen once in 30
years)
about our respective divorces and lives. Next thing I knew we were
dating,
and 36 days later were engaged! We got married 7/25/98, exactly a year
after the reunion, sold my house, and bought a place in a small town on 5
acres. There were 7 DeLoreans at the wedding and one on top of the cake.
And I've never been happier. The business, which was nearly in ruins, is
starting to pick up, and now that I'm advertising and on the net, a lot of
old customers are coming back. Its been a long haul, but things are
definitely looking up.
As for my car, I put a supercharged Chev 4.3 V-6 in a neglected,
engine-less
17,000 mile car, and have been driving it for 3 years now. I made my own
adapter, motor mounts, and headers, and everything is chromed and polished
including all 4 sides of the engine compartment. It handles and rides
very
well, and never overheats - its the coolest running DeLorean I have
owned.
It is very fast and super reliable. There will be a full article about it
in an upcoming DMCNews-zine. Luckily I got to keep this car in trade for
other property, but my other project car became an issue in settlement.
An
earlier DeLorean had been sold in '95 to finance my daughter's college
education. In fairness to my son, who was close to graduation, I proposed
to the judge that I be given custody of the car, complete its restoration,
and sell it for his college. The judge agreed, but due to my subsequent
remarriage and moving, its completion has lagged. So now it is being
offerred for sale as is. If anyone is interested in a 12,000 mile gray
interior A/T with a polished and chromed turbocharged motor, see my ad
under classifieds or e-mail me direct.
As a new subscriber to DMCNews I hope to be able to provide some insight
from my years of owning, driving, modifying, and selling parts for these
unique cars. I can also provide how-to info on remote control opening
doors, the correct way to fix fan fail relay problems for practically
nothing, and many other tips. Feel free to contact me by e-mail directly,
or call evenings or weekends. Take care and happy motoring.
Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
4 LaBelle Lane
McCleary, WA 98557
PH: 360-495-4640
FAX: 360-495-4680
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 03:31:36 -0500
From: "Mike Thomas" <comptrol@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: JZD's patents
I was looking up some patents the other night and decided to look for ="">
any that ZD may be involved in. He is specified as the inventor of the =
Delorean door mechanism among other things. His latest was in 1993. If =
you are interested, the URL is:
http://patents.uspto.gov/cgi-bin/ifetch4?INDEX+PATBIB-ALL+0+23650+4+3+418=
926+OF+1+7+1+IN%2f%22Delorean%2c+John%22
If that doesn't work, use the main patent search page, URL:
http://patents.uspto.gov/access/search-bool.html
and type Delorean, John in the box labeled Term 1. Select "inventor =
name" from the list in the Field 1 box and hit the search button.
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:32:04 -0500 (EST)
From: DJS912@xxxxxxxxx (Danny Smith)
Subject: Re: DML: Windows
It amazes me how many of you (newer I assume) owners seem to want to
chop up and "modify" the realitively few of these pieces of automotive
history left. All the changing and cutting that's done to them will only
make the original condition cars more valuable when prices finally rise
(and they will - it took the E Type Jags well over 20 years, and there
were large numbers of those produced). I think that mechanical upgrades
such as Fanzilla ect. are fine and can be reversed in the future for the
really purist collector;but once the body's been hacked the car's future
desirability is comprimised. Dan
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:21:44 -0600
From: "Duke" <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Grey rims for sale
I have a set of the grey rims for sale. I MUST SELL THESE QUICK!!!. =
The rims were only on the D for 123 miles and are brand new. Please =
email me directly with offers. =20
Thanks,
Duke=20
at88mph@xxxxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:47:16 +1100
From: "R. Haslewood" <delorean@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
G'day fellas,
My dad is looking at buying a particular DeLorean in Sydney, but there is
just one problem - It won't start. He and the guy that's looking after it
suspect that it may be the fuel pump due to that fact that the car hasn't
been started in months.
I've searched the back issues for information on fuel pumps, but all I
could
find was info on replacement "Bosch" F.P.'s. My question is, can anyone
tell
us the procedure for accessing the fuel pump and (if possible) fixing it?
BTW, if anyone has any other ideas as to why the car won't start, we'd be
grateful for your input.
Thanks in advance...
R. Haslewood,
Sydney Australia
http://www.zip.com.au/~delorean/
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:14:19 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Limo / Custom Fiberglass...
>This is not a compleatly absurd idea. In Miami we have a Hummer Limo,
>and I
>think someone in New York made a limo out of a mid 90s Corvette. It's not
>totally out of the question.
>
Except that you can't make stainless steel panels out of fiberglass. I'd
like to meet the guy that could make the panels for the limo pictured in
the
'zine.
Speaking of fiberglass... I have been considering learning how to
fiberglass
so I can construct some custom parts for my DeLorean. I wanted to make a
louver replacement that would make the rear end look more like a
Lamborghini
or Farrari, with the rear sides dipping down into a flat vented engine
cover, and possibly adding a spoiler. I was also looking into a rear
facia
cover that would replace the stock light fixtures/license plate holder
with
something more appealing (like circular lights a-la Corvette/Diablo).
Can anyone offer any advice/assistance on the matter? So far I've built
custom tail light fixtures out of wood, and tinted plastic. Looks nice,
much cooler than the 80's waffle lights... I can post pictures if anyone
is interested in how it looks...
I really want to design and build updates that are "bolt-on", and can be
added and removed exactly like their stock equivalents... The car is just
too cool to be "cursed" with a few things that make it look dated.
Thanks all!
- - Dave
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:49:37 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Possible Fuel Pump Problems
R. Haslewood asked for ideas why a DeLorean in Australia won't start:
> . . . suspect that it may be the fuel pump due to that fact
> that the car hasn't been started in months.
Good grief, you haven't given us much to go on! Yes, a car that has not
been run for a long time might have fuel problems. Those problems could
even be severe. You might start by removing the cover from the air
intake on the engine and looking / sniffing for gasoline. If there is
absolutely no gas there then you might indeed have a fuel pump problem.
> I've searched the back issues for information on fuel
> pumps, but all I could find was info on replacement
> "Bosch" F.P.'s.
This is surprising. Search again! There should be a LOT of information
about all sorts of fuel problems in the back issues, including how to
access the pump.
> My question is, can anyone tell us the procedure for accessing
> the fuel pump and (if possible) fixing it?
Open the luggage compartment. Remove the spare tire. Now remove
the access panel below the spare tire. You are looking at the top of the
fuel tank, and the pump is that big thing with wires and hoses going to
it.
Before you yank the pump out, try cranking the engine very briefly, just
1-2 seconds. You should hear the fuel pump whirring. If you don't hear
it then the pump isn't getting power. Check electrical connections,
starting with the inertia switch.
Maybe the car is just low on gas. DeLorean fuel guages are notorious
for reading "FULL" when they are actually empty.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:35:47 -0600
From: Bill Marcussen <billmarcussen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Where to get Battery Buddy?
Wal-mart sells them at the best price I have found.
Bill
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:48:42 -0500
From: edds202@xxxxxxxx (Andrew w Edds)
Subject: DML: Firestar 500
Hi,
I was just curious as to what ever happened to the Firestar 500,
the super-DeLorean that could supposedly go over 200 m/h. I would love
for that to become reality except it would probly make DMC-12 prices
skyrocket. Thanks so much for this great mailing list.
Andy
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:44:24 -0500
From: "DOUG T VENNER" <DMC12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Headliner removal
Before I take out my center headliners I wanted to make sure I knew how
they
come out. From what I can tell, you remove the sun-visors, and the inner
door weatherstripping. Now what holds it in the middle? plastic christmas
trees? I just what to know before I start tugging on something I
shouldn't.
Any advice would be great. Thanx
Doug Venner NJ
16680
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:58:56 EST
From: Jimbo0946@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Windows
I wasn't going to change a thing on my DeLorean. The only thing I put in
extra to my car was a cd changer that can be taken out very easy. I was
just
curious to how much it would cost.
JimmyC
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:47:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Firestar 500
On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Andrew w Edds wrote:
> I was just curious as to what ever happened to the Firestar 500,
> the super-DeLorean that could supposedly go over 200 m/h. I would love
Nothing. JZD is getting old, is not in excellent health, rather poor
financially these days, and unfortunately not very credible in the auto
world any more. There were a few attempts to restart DMC and
unfortunately none of them were successful because JZD had essentially no
credibility after the drug trial and close of DMC, even though he was
acquitted and also won all his civil cases. What with the recession being
over and jobs being at less of a premium neither the USA nor Canada (who
had probably had enough with Bricklin) were terribly interested in another
DeLorean boondoggle and the UK was of course out of the question.
I don't think that the Firestar ever proceeded beyond the rumor stage,
even though the rumors persist to this day.
My guess is that the Firestar would have materialized as a DMC-12 option
package in about 1986 and gradually transformed into the supercar it was
supposed to be. For a similar story, see the Toyota Celica/Supra. At
this point the Firestar would (in my estimation) be roughly like a McLaren
crossed with an NSX and would cost between $100,000 and $200,000.
Hey, while we're on the subject, does anyone know what issues of Car &
Driver and/or Road & Track the original DeLorean reviews appeared in? It
might be fun to look those up.
> for that to become reality except it would probly make DMC-12 prices
> skyrocket. Thanks so much for this great mailing list.
Get one while they're hot... ;)
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:56:25 -0500
From: haldeman <haldeman@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
It could be the inertia switch has gotten tripped. Check under the dash
on
the driver's side next to the clutch pedal for a little black plastic box
with a plunger mechanism.
If it is showing red, it is tripped, and has disconnected the fuel pump
(used
in the event of a sudden stop as in a crash). Its a simple check and
easy to
fix.
David Haldeman
Cincinnati
VIN 5102
"R. Haslewood" wrote:
> G'day fellas,
>
> My dad is looking at buying a particular DeLorean in Sydney, but there is
> just one problem - It won't start. He and the guy that's looking after it
> suspect that it may be the fuel pump due to that fact that the car hasn't
> been started in months.
>
> I've searched the back issues for information on fuel pumps, but all I
> could
> find was info on replacement "Bosch" F.P.'s. My question is, can anyone
> tell
> us the procedure for accessing the fuel pump and (if possible) fixing it?
>
> BTW, if anyone has any other ideas as to why the car won't start, we'd be
> grateful for your input.
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> R. Haslewood,
> Sydney Australia
> http://www.zip.com.au/~delorean/
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:58:52 -0500
From: haldeman <haldeman@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Windows
I couldn't agree more - even as the part owner (with my two sons) of a
"drive" car - the goal is to drive "The DeLorean" - not a chop car!
David Haldeman
VIN 5102
Danny Smith wrote:
> It amazes me how many of you (newer I assume) owners seem to want to
> chop up and "modify" the realitively few of these pieces of automotive
> history left. All the changing and cutting that's done to them will only
> make the original condition cars more valuable when prices finally rise
> (and they will - it took the E Type Jags well over 20 years, and there
> were large numbers of those produced). I think that mechanical upgrades
> such as Fanzilla ect. are fine and can be reversed in the future for the
> really purist collector;but once the body's been hacked the car's future
> desirability is comprimised. Dan
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:35:16 -0500
From: Dan <dan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Firestar 500
On Wed, Nov 04, 1998 at 03:48:42PM -0500, Andrew w Edds wrote:
> Hi,
> I was just curious as to what ever happened to the Firestar 500,
> the super-DeLorean that could supposedly go over 200 m/h.
Oh lord, not this again.
It was a pipe dream from 1986 that never got further than some stylist's
sketchpad. A sketch was published in Motor Trend in Jan. 1986, p. 17
The only thing you'll get that's close to it is a Ferrari F-40. They used
some of the styling details from the Firestar500 on it, notably the
exhaust location and the huge rear wing. Check out US patent D306274
Let us never speak of this forevermore.
Dan
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:26:52 EST
From: ShadowDMC@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Body Damage (was: WTB: Passenger side fender (front)
In a message dated 11/2/98 11:05:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
espey@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< Just curious to see if there is a passenger side front fender
available
for my "bruised" DeLorean. Prefer one without an antenna hole, but I'm
told that they can be welded up, so I'll consider one of those as well.
Email me! Thanks! >>
I was curious when I read this post about welding the body panels. I
have one
of these antenna holes in the front right fender and I would love to get
rid
of it. Someone in my area just removed the antenna from the front fender
and
capped the hole. I have some questions about this whole welding deal.
How
much does it cost? How good does it match a new panel? How big of an
area
can be filled in?
Thanks,
Orlando Lopez
#-06882
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:11:22 EST
From: NJP548@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re remote door release.
Hey List,
I just wanted to say that I just got the Remote door release kit in
today
and I am going to install it Saturday. I do have one question, in order
to
run the wires through the door, I want to run the wires where they
already are
going through. I was wondering if anyone on the list could tell me how to
take the interior ceiling apart so I can run the wires through. I plan on
putting the module and relays in the locking box behind the driver's seat.
This kit has 4 channels so I am going to be able to hook this right up to
my
door locks so it will lock and unlock my doors too. I think this is the
easiest kit around for anyone. All you need to get are longer wires to
splice
with the wires they already gave you and a couple Male-Female connectors
to
make the job nice and clean.
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:28:32 -0800
From: Mike Hirko <wawazat1@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Firestar 500
I have articles on DeLoreans in the following magazine issues: ROAD &
TRACK,
Dec '81: " TESTED:DELOREAN-WORTH ITS WAIT?" *** MOTOR TREND, May '81:
"DELOREAN-First Drive!" and April '82: "IMPORT CAR '82: PRESENTING THE
FABULOUS FOURTEEN" (which includes the DeLorean) also "Win a DELOREAN -
Grand
Prize in Petersen's 1982 Automotive Sweepstakes"!!! (anyone have an idea
what
vin & who has it???) (they also tested an M-1 Abrams TANK in this
issue!!!)
*** CAR and DRIVER, May '81: "DELOREAN: Gull-winged, stainless-steel
jet-set dream come true" and July '81: "THE DELOREAN QUESTION-Will
quality
problems derail DeLorean's dream car?" and Dec '81: " SPORTS-CAR
SHOWDOWN
- - DeLorean versus Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette, Datsun Turbo" and July
'82:
"DECLINE AND FALL - DeLorean's gull-wing in a tailspin.
Mike Hirko
Bill Wilson wrote:
> Hey, while we're on the subject, does anyone know what issues of Car &
> Driver and/or Road & Track the original DeLorean reviews appeared in? It
> might be fun to look those up.
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:10:16 -0500
From: Steve <dmc@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Antennea relay power
My power antennea isn't working properly. I'd like to confirm that the
red wire with the inline fuse going to the clear plastic relay in the
compartment *similar* to the relay compartment that is behind the
*drivers* seat is supposed to have +12V on it. I'd also like to confirm
that this is the same red wire that is plugged into the module (thermal
breaker I beleive) that is providing power for and located next to the
door lock module in the realy compartment on the other side of the car.
As it stands now, I read very little or no voltage on the red wire on
the drivers side, but read +12V on the passanger's side. The other
wire going to the relay is switched between ground and N/C when the
radio is turned on and off. The power antennae functions when I apply
a 12V power source to it (without the clear relay). I beleive that the
red wire is broken between the left and right sides of the car. I'd
appreciate info pertaining to accessing the wire loom that follows this
path and any similar situations anyone on the list may have experienced.
I have also noticed that the power antennae circuit is absent from the
wiring diagrams that I have, and I plan to draw up the circuit and post
it to a web page after I get mine working properly. (It's a rather
simple circuit, but handy to have at any rate)
-Steve <dmc@xxxxxxx>
VIN #17117
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