dmcnews-digest Friday, January 1 1999 Volume 03 : Number 461
In this issue:
Re: DML: ISBN#
DML: Re: Any information on Scientific Automotive? or Ben Byrd?
DML: RE: Transmission Layout?
DML: Re: Just Venting...
DML: Re: Power loss and whine
DML: Ditzler Paint
DML: DELOREAN video
Re: DML: Looking for sheepskins source
Re: DML: Dash Cover
DML: DEALERSHIP SIGN BEING AUCTIONED OFF!
Re: DML: motor swap question
DML: DMC owner in UK.
DML: RE: Mustang
Re: DML: Power loss and whine
DML: Re: Power loss and whine
DML: SHEEPSKIN COVERS
DML: DeLoreans in Turkey
Re: DML: Re: Power loss and whine
DML: Re: Re: Just Venting...
DML: Re: DMC owner in UK.
DML: Minnesota DMC meeting
Re: DML: Ditzler Paint
DML: Font & BTTF
DML: re:Transmission Layout?
DML: DMC-12 Limited Edition Model Kit
DML: '81 DeLorean STILL for sale.
DML: DeLorean Corner website
DML: JOHN DELOREAN
DML: Re: Any information on Scientific Automotive? or Ben Byrd?
Re: DML: Power loss and whine
DML: Interior Parts
DML: Rebuilding Auto Trans Governor
DML: Happy New Years
Re: DML: Any information on Scientific Automotive? or Ben Byrd?
DML: 1984 Delorean
DML: Rotary Delorean
DML: Wind deflector for sun roof
DML: DOC Site Update
DML: Legend Turbo setup
DML: Cross Reference Update
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:54:52 +0100
From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: ISBN#
Are you sure the ten digit number is 1-85520-331-6?
If that is the case, none of the bookstores attached to www.isbn.nu have
it... Funny...
Could you please check again?
Thanks alot,
Matt
Jim Reeve --Ultra-- wrote:
>
> > Can you send me
> >the ISBN number on the back of the book. It's the number located just
> >below the bar code.
>
> As for the ISBN number, it has...
> "ISBN 1-85520-331-6" on top of the bar code,
> And "9 781855 203310" below the bar code.
> I got the book at National Automobile Museum in Reno, NV when I went
to
> see the gold DeLorean there. I'm sure if you go to a car museum that
> has books you will find it there. Every car museum I've been at has had
> it. It cost me $25.00.
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:38:33 -0800
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Any information on Scientific Automotive? or Ben Byrd?
>Does anyone have any information on the aftermarket parts sold by
>Scientific Automotive? Were they custom designed? or borowed parts?
>
>They also sold a Stainless Steel pannel that covered up the lower rear
>of the car, so the frame and other stuff is not visible. That looks
>like another interesting modification.
If I remember right, Ben Byrd called himself a DeLorean genius. He had
worked for DMC in some capacity and offered parts and service for a few
years in the mid-eighties but his reputation wasn't the best. After he
sold
his inventory and quit servicing DeLoreans he put a single news letter
together with several articles related to the care and feeding of the
DeLorean. This he mailed to as many owners as he had names for offering it
as a periodical for the subscription fee of $50 per year. I, along with
several friends, sent him the money and he promply disappeared. His
stainless cover for the lower part of the cars rear end, which covered the
exposed frame and muffler area, didn't work and caused a heat build-up in
the engine compartment. I sent him my distributor to be re-curved and all
he
did was install a small piece of rubber hose to act as a bumper and limit
the amount of mechanical advance instead of actualy changing the springs
and
recurving the whole advance sequence. Needless to say, my memories of
Scientific Automotive aren't the best but I know nothing about Terry
Spangler and it wouldn't be fair to pass judgment on him because of my
experiances with Ben Byrd.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:55:17 -0500
From: Rob Hook <rob_hook@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Transmission Layout?
Here's a link to a site with a picture that is identical to the
DeLorean's
transmission. This particular transmission is a four-speed but looks
just
like the five speed from the outside.
http://www.crypt.demon.co.uk/SoulDriver/SoulImage.html
Interestingly enough, this transmission is being mated to a Rover V8 in a
Lamborghini kit. The person building states that the transaxle is
extremely over built. Hmmm... Not from my experince! :)
- --Rob Hook
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From: William T Wilson[SMTP:fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, December 28, 1998 2:47 PM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Transmission Layout?
Does anyone have a picture of a DeLorean 5-speed transmission up on the
web somewhere? I am looking for an idea of how the transmission is
shaped. I want to know where the input shaft is in relation to the
output. I'm assuming it's a transaxle, where the output is at a 90 degree
angle to the input... right? :} Any pointers would be appreciated. :)
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:36:48 -0800
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Just Venting...
>The Experts are few and far between, but I just got off the phone with
>someone from a Peugeot specialty shop, and he was telling me that the
>racing history of the PRV6 includes some 750HP configurations.
The difference between the DeLorean engine and the 750hp Renault engine is
as great as the difference between the Ford 302 engine in a Mustang and
Michial Andretti's Cosworth Ford in the Cart car he drives. I'm not sure
if
Reault used the basic street V-6 as a building block for it's Formula One
engines or visa versa.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:47:44 -0800
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Power loss and whine
> My first problem has to do with severe power loss during the first 10
>or so minutes of driving>
My second observation is an intermittent high pitched whine that seems
>to be at its worst when I experience the power loss problem
Luke,
Check the vacuum hoses that go from the control pressure regulator, the
solinioid valve by the distributor, and the vaccum line coming out of the
rear of the intake manifold, near the distruibutor. These are all routed
under the intake manifold to the thermal control valve and have a direct
influence on the engines behavior when cold. A vaccum leak somewhere in
this
system would produce the symptoms you've discribed.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:50:00 -0500
From: David Sontos <sontos@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Ditzler Paint
Well I've been to three different paint stores and none can relate to
the Ditzler paint number or cross it to PPG Industries. Has anyone been
succesful in getting a PPG formula or another brand of paint. I'm
striking out here. I've looked at the cross reference list from the
local club which shows a GM medium gray paint number but looking at the
chip color in my local NAPA shop shows its a dark gray color.
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:14:30 -0800
From: x2600@xxxxxxxx (Dr. K x Proxy)
Subject: DML: DELOREAN video
For Christmas my father gave me the video "DELOREAN, The Car and The
Factory" purchased from the DeLorean Owners Association and
I watched it the next morning. In the first moment of the film they show
the car driving around with the windows open and thats about it for the
moving pictures. the rest is a dull slide show... with a room full of
people discussing the factory. I was hoping that by writing this I would
be able to find one or more of the producers of the film just to tell
them my opinion of the film. If at all possible could you come out with
another volume or something with more on the car (with more motion
pictures) I thought I would never get bored with the Delorean but this
makes an exception.
If there are anymore videos on the delorean would you please reply to my
e-mail and give me the names of them?
-Kris
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:27:49 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Looking for sheepskins source
I have a pair of sheepskins in my D that have seen over 12 years of
service
(that includes over 70,000 miles). In fact they were in my first D and I
moved them over to my present D. They wear very well (still quite
serviceable, but should be replaced within a year or so ) and are much
more
comfortable than the original leather (also cooler in the summer and
warmer
in the winter). They fit perfectly. That's the good news.
I bought mine from Ed B at DeLorean One and they were a whole lot more
than
$99 and that was 12 years ago and that's the bad news.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:31:09 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Dash Cover
I got one from J C Whitney a couple of years ago. It fit fairly well, the
color match was quite good and it was reasonably priced.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:07:19 -0000
From: "Kritter" <kritter@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DEALERSHIP SIGN BEING AUCTIONED OFF!
Hey everyone, there is another DMC Dealership Sign being auctioned off =
on the internet at www.ebay.com (Search under Delorean). So far no bids =
on it, and it ends on New Years Eve at 9am Pacific Time. I hope someone =
gets as lucky as I did with the last one that was auctioned off. My =
sign looks great hanging in my garage. What a piece of nostalgia.
Also, just a note of thanks to all of you. Even though I haven't asked =
many questions, all of the answers to everybody else's questions are =
great and have helped me out alot. I hope everyone has a great New Year =
and may it be ever prosperous for all of you.
John G Pietrowski
Toledo OH
Vin# 4945
kritter@xxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:20:17 PST
From: "Marc Barth" <d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: motor swap question
Thanks for all the specs regarding the motor swap. By the way if you
find out where to get a DMC die cast model please let me know. I have
been looking for one for over five years as well as a few other people I
know. I actually spoke to die cast and they said they don't have one.
They tried to sell me the 1954 Mercedes with gull wing doors. She was
well prepared for the answer so I'm not the first person to ask for it.
But if you find one let me know. Thanks again.
>p.s. My friend wants a DMC die cast model, any suggestions?
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:14:57 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC owner in UK.
You should still call PJGrady, or one of the other Delorean shops for
information. Rob Grady will usually give you the information, if he has
it.
Did you see my post about performance parts from Europe?? Do you have
any Speed mags, or shops that have performance parts for the PRV6?
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:18:47 -0500
From: "Yocom, Shannon" <syocom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Mustang
Well, that would have to be a V6 Mustang (a casterated race horse). A
normal V8 Mustang would crush the D on the start.
> ----------
>
> DMLer's
> I would just like to say that yesterday afternoon I was
> stopped at a
> light on the highway, and next to me was a 1996 white mustang (base
> model).
> When the light turned green, we took off and I left her in the dust of
> my D.
> No turbos on my car. Anyway, made me feel good, knowing we could beat a
> mustang.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:47:15 -0500
From: Paul Gress <pgress@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Power loss and whine
I've had a similar problem with no solution. In my case, just when the
engine is really cold in the morning from fall to spring. It's fine in
the
summer. Also, it affects my top end, when I push the gas pedal down to
the
floor, the car will accelerate to around 4,000 RPM's then just run out of
steam (cannot go higher RPM), but if I back my foot off the pedal a little
bit the engine will go right to 5,000+ RPM's, but not full power (because
the pedal is backed off). The only suggestion has been to replace the
fuel
filter which didn't work. I'm beginning to think that my fuel pump cannot
supply enough pressure where the engine needs to run rich.
Paul Gress
Vin # 10193
Luke Soasey wrote:
> I've got a new problem with my engine that maybe someone could help me
> with. I've found similar problems mentioned in the archives, but no
> solutions were to be located. There are two things which have started
> happening at about the same time, although I am not certain if they are
> related or not...
> My first problem has to do with severe power loss during the first 10
> or so minutes of driving. I usually experience this after the car has
> sat undriven in the garaged for more than two or three days. The engine
> starts with no problem and even seems to idle normally, but as soon as I
> try to accelerate to speed it acts like I'm running on one cylinder. If
> keep my foot on the gas the engine will continue to struggle for about 4
> seconds and then suddenly leap forward with normal power. Every time I
> come to a stop this will happen again. After about 10 to 15 minutes of
> driving the problem goes away and wont return unless I let the car sit
> again for two or three days.
> My second observation is an intermittent high pitched whine that seems
> to be at its worst when I experience the power loss problem. The sound
> comes from the engine compartment and changes pitch with the engine
> speed. I am familiar with the sound of slipping belts, and this doesn't
> really sound like that. Is it possible that this is a vacuum leak?
> Has anyone seen and/or fixed this type of problem before? Is there
> anything in particular that I can check? I appreciate any advice that
> the list members could provide.
>
> Thanks,
> Luke Soasey
> #4955
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:51:45 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Power loss and whine
> My first problem has to do with severe power loss during the first 10
>or so minutes of driving. I usually experience this after the car has
>sat undriven in the garaged for more than two or three days. The engine
>starts with no problem and even seems to idle normally, but as soon as I
>try to accelerate to speed it acts like I'm running on one cylinder. If
>keep my foot on the gas the engine will continue to struggle for about 4
>seconds and then suddenly leap forward with normal power. Every time I
>come to a stop this will happen again. After about 10 to 15 minutes of
>driving the problem goes away and wont return unless I let the car sit
>again for two or three days.
Do you have an automatic? Your computer may be shot. Hook up a test
light
to your computer access panel and see if your computer is telling your car
to be in 3rd gear. Check the back issues for how to test the computer, or
email me directly.
- -Dave
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:24:15 -0600
From: Gowler Don-CFPO01 <cfpo01@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: SHEEPSKIN COVERS
I paid $400 for a set of sheepskin covers in Ft Worth in 1983. They are
the way to go if you want to protect the original leather and have
warmer winter and cooler summer rides.
Have a great new year - The Silver Fox
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:53:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Emrah Dincer <e_mo_tion@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLoreans in Turkey
Hey DMCers;
I dont have a DeLorean yet and I'm not sure that I could find one in
Turkey.(I'm living in Turkey) If anyone knows someone that I could
find one in Turkey, please e-mail me from E_mo_tion@xxxxxxxxx
Love and love and love with love and in love..
Emrah "Emotion" D]NGER
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:48:49 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Power loss and whine
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Dave Price wrote:
> >try to accelerate to speed it acts like I'm running on one cylinder. If
> >keep my foot on the gas the engine will continue to struggle for about 4
> >seconds and then suddenly leap forward with normal power. Every time I
...
> Do you have an automatic? Your computer may be shot. Hook up a test
Although you can always check this (it doesn't cost anything), I think
it's unlikely to be the problem. Although a shot computer can injure your
acceleration like this, it's usually because the transmission is not in
the right gear or slips. In this case, the engine itself is unable to
accelerate.
I would be looking for problems in the fuel injection system. Fuel pump
would be a reasonable choice, so would the oxygen sensor (maybe) or
something else in the lambda setup, the fuel pickup in the tank, and even
the throttle linkage. Since it happens only when cold, the fuel
enrichment circuit would also be a culprit. I would check the enrichment
circuit and the pickup first.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:22:04 +0100
From: "Carte Blanche Limousine" <carteblanche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Re: Just Venting...
Here, in France, from the dmc club of France we have some interesting
history of the V6 PRV. If you are interested we can fax you or send you
one
exemplaire.
DMC yours
Cyril Binet VIN 1804
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> De : BRUCE BENSON <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> A : dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Objet : DML: Re: Just Venting...
> Date : mercredi 30 dicembre 1998 02:36
>
> >The Experts are few and far between, but I just got off the phone with
> >someone from a Peugeot specialty shop, and he was telling me that the
> >racing history of the PRV6 includes some 750HP configurations.
>
> The difference between the DeLorean engine and the 750hp Renault engine
is
> as great as the difference between the Ford 302 engine in a Mustang and
> Michial Andretti's Cosworth Ford in the Cart car he drives. I'm not sure
> if
> Reault used the basic street V-6 as a building block for it's Formula One
> engines or visa versa.
>
> Bruce Benson
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:27:08 +0100
From: "Carte Blanche Limousine" <carteblanche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DMC owner in UK.
You also can call Wingray Auto LTD at 0044.151.428.90.43 ask for Paul and
he his the associate of DMC company in Houston. Not so expensive and you
don't pay the custom !!!
For more info mil me
Cyril Binet VIN 1804
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> De : Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> A : dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Objet : DML: DMC owner in UK.
> Date : mardi 29 dicembre 1998 20:14
>
> You should still call PJGrady, or one of the other Delorean shops for
> information. Rob Grady will usually give you the information, if he has
> it.
> Did you see my post about performance parts from Europe?? Do you have
> any Speed mags, or shops that have performance parts for the PRV6?
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:18:29 PST
From: brian_roy@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Minnesota DMC meeting
Just because there is snow on the ground (finally) and our cars are
nestled
away for the winter doesn't mean we can't meet and talk about our babies,
does it?
Here are the preliminary details
When: Saturday January 23
Where: Chi Chi's in Roseville, MN (across from Rosedale)
(I will email out directions if needed)
Time: Noon until ??????
Who: Whoever loves the Delorean (owner or not)
Hope the Holidays have been enjoyable for you and your families....
Please e-mail your (positive) RSVP's or questions to me at
brian_roy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Brian
Vin #4150
Lic DMC XII
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:54:07 EST
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Ditzler Paint
Ok
for those of you interested in painting the facias here is all the numbers
Paint
Silver DAU33584
Hardener
DXR 80
Flexibilizer
DX 814
Reducer
DT 860
Mix the paint 1:1 with the reducer
now mix in to the above mix 10-20% flexibilizer and 5% hardener
this will give you a dryer mix and will not be as glossy. Spray on very
thin
almost a dust coat ( a wide tip airbrush actually does better)
when done the finish will look kinda dull but smoothe
use 3m polishing compound 1500 grit or higher to buff back top original
finish
For those of you that saw my car at the show my rear facia was touched up
in
11 places
and it blended in real well.
Thats my tip on painting
good luck
Ken
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:00:22 -0800
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Font & BTTF
Apparently the are 2 seperate fonts available that I have found out about.
The first font is called "De Lorean" It is a true type font with full
characters. This font looks exactly like the De Lorean on the rear bumper
and the DMC logo on the front. I believe the cost is around $20 plus
shipping & handling. Or you can avoid S&H if you have them e-mail the file
directly to you. You can obtain it from:
Axe Creatives
35 Parkway Drive
North Commack, NY 11725
Ph. 516-864-4907
The second font that has been mentioned is called "Double Back". This font
is the one from the BTTF movie logos(arced with an arrow at the end). It's
price is $59. It can be found at http://www.comicbookfonts.com
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 98 21:54:49 -0600
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re:Transmission Layout?
WTW wrote:
>From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: DML: Transmission Layout?
>
>Does anyone have a picture of a DeLorean 5-speed transmission up on the
>web somewhere? I am looking for an idea of how the transmission is
>shaped. I want to know where the input shaft is in relation to the
>output. I'm assuming it's a transaxle, where the output is at a 90 degree
>angle to the input... right? :} Any pointers would be appreciated. :)
Since my trans happens to be sitting all put back together on my
workbench, waiting to be reinstalled, I'd be glad to take and send you
some digital pix. As soon as I get a chance to get down there and take
some, I'll send to you directly. I also have a great set of pictures
(paper) of the transmission completely disasembled, and the steps
involved in putting it back together. (Maybe a 'Zine article). I'd have
to get them scanned so this will take a little more effort.
Even easier - go to Jameel's page at
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/surgery.html
After waiting about an hour to load, you'll see a great series of
pictures of his engine/trans removal and replacement.
I also have a complete second transmission that I bought for parts. It is
for the most part unusable, but would be great to use for making
measurments and templates and assembly photos.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:04:02 -0700
From: JJ <carnut1@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC-12 Limited Edition Model Kit
If someone is interested in my slot (#29). Please get with me via E-mail.
My
hobby has changed directions and if someone is interested in the kit, more
than me let me know?
If not I will still be proudly getting the kit. Remember the kit cost is
$125
plus shipping and you would need to take care of that, as this is not a
pre-paid order.
John
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:42:28 -0600
From: "Tim Hansen" <thansen@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: '81 DeLorean STILL for sale.
Yes, I still have #4761, and it's still for sale. I've been at school and
really haven't had the time to keep up the car, and some new problems
wiggled out of storage- the left rear tire won't hold air now and I think
the RF brake caliper is stuck. This is in addidtion to the bad exhaust
manifold gasket that I've been meaning to repair since summer. There are
some cosmetic issues in the interior (center headliner, driver's seat, and
binnacle), but outside of that, the car's in very good condition. The
stainless is perfect. No dents, scratches, etc. very presentable car if
someone wants to sort through it. College kids don't have time for
collector cars- I'm selling all of them ('77 AMC Pacer as well). I'm
ASKING
$14,000, but I'm taking offers. I did pay $13,000 for the car three years
ago and put about two grand in it (new A/C system and other misc. things).
It only has 43k miles on it, grey interior, auto trans. I have a bunch of
memorabilia for the car, too, and every reciept from every repair it's
ever
had, plus a photocopy of the original window sticker. I will take less
than
asking price. I'm hesitant about going under $13k, but you guys know
DeLoreans, come up here, tell me what it's worth, and make me an offer.
The
car is located in SE Wisconsin. My phone number is 414-724-5166, and I'll
be here at home until Jan. 18, then it's back to school.
Tim Hansen
thansen@xxxxxxxxxx
DMC #4761
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:54:16 PST
From: "Marc Barth" <d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Corner website
Does anybody know the address to this website. I had it and lost it.
Thanks.
Marc
d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:39:08 -0800 (PST)
From: michael bergeron <foxmulder241@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: JOHN DELOREAN
I was wondering if it's true that john delorean is start a new
company,also i have a copy of the book delorean and was wondering if
there was anyway to get it autographed.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:57:04 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Any information on Scientific Automotive? or Ben Byrd?
Bruce,
I also know of Scientific Automotive and was also a paid member and
received a few pages of "Delotech". Thanks for making me laugh out loud
with the following comment:
" I, along with several friends, sent him the money and he promptly
disappeared."
Now I don't feel so bad.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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> From: BRUCE BENSON <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: DML: Re: Any information on Scientific Automotive? or Ben Byrd?
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 7:38 PM
>
> >Does anyone have any information on the aftermarket parts sold by
> >Scientific Automotive? Were they custom designed? or borowed parts?
> >
> >They also sold a Stainless Steel pannel that covered up the lower rear
> >of the car, so the frame and other stuff is not visible. That looks
> >like another interesting modification.
>
> If I remember right, Ben Byrd called himself a DeLorean genius. He had
> worked for DMC in some capacity and offered parts and service for a few
> years in the mid-eighties but his reputation wasn't the best. After he
> sold
> his inventory and quit servicing DeLoreans he put a single news letter
> together with several articles related to the care and feeding of the
> DeLorean. This he mailed to as many owners as he had names for offering
it
> as a periodical for the subscription fee of $50 per year. I, along with
> several friends, sent him the money and he promply disappeared. His
> stainless cover for the lower part of the cars rear end, which covered
the
> exposed frame and muffler area, didn't work and caused a heat build-up in
> the engine compartment. I sent him my distributor to be re-curved and all
> he
> did was install a small piece of rubber hose to act as a bumper and limit
> the amount of mechanical advance instead of actualy changing the springs
> and
> recurving the whole advance sequence. Needless to say, my memories of
> Scientific Automotive aren't the best but I know nothing about Terry
> Spangler and it wouldn't be fair to pass judgment on him because of my
> experiances with Ben Byrd.
>
> Bruce Benson
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:59:46 -0600
From: Jordang <jordang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Power loss and whine
When I got my car a year ago it had a problem much like yours. I even
drove
it to the Cincinnati show and asked for help. No one told me the right
thing. Finally I checked the O2 sensor. It was bad. Mine was completely
bad. Yours may be operating some of the time. I understand that they
put out
no voltage when cold and when hot, after maybe 2-5 minutes of running,
they
put our some small voltage. The repair manual tells how to plug a dwell
meter
into the frequency control circuit. If the dwell reading does not vary
widely
when the car is warm, more than 10 degrees, then the O2 sensor is bad. I
hope
that this helps, Jordan Gary
Paul Gress wrote:
> when I push the gas pedal down to the
> floor, the car will accelerate to around 4,000 RPM's then just run out of
> steam (cannot go higher RPM), but if I back my foot off the pedal a little
> bit the engine will go right to 5,000+ RPM's, but not full power (because
> the pedal is backed off). The only suggestion has been to replace the
> fuel filter which didn't work.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:13:58 EST
From: DeLorean31@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Interior Parts
I was searching the archives as well as the major DeLorean parts supplier
web
sites for information about the availability and price of parts for the
interior of the DeLorean. I was looking at a pretty decent DeLorean for
sale
in my area. However the car sat outside in the sun this past summer and
the
dashboard became cracked as well as the steering wheel. Are these items
available for replacement? Also does anyone know how much a dashboard top
would go for roughly? As well as other interior pieces affected by the
sun.
Thanks in advance
Gary
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:50:23 -0600
From: "Duke" <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Rebuilding Auto Trans Governor
I was wondering if anyone has had successful experience in rebuilding =
the auto trans governor for the autos. If so, could you please email me =
privately.
Thanks in advance,
Duke
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:57:08 -0700
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Happy New Years
Happy New Years to all of my fellow list members throughout the world.
I hope that 1999 treats all of you well.
We should be thankful that our DeLorean's as futuristic as they still
look,
will not be affected by the millinium bug in the year 2000. Our DeLoreans
will probably be the cars we have to drive when the sophisticated modern
cars die when the clock rolls over to 12:00:00 am January 1, 2000.
Best wishes from the Mueller family to you and your families.
Scott Mueller
DMC/ Das Mueller Companies
Mobile, AL
1981/002981 DOA-5031 DMCNEWS
Contact me about the "Deep South DeLorean Owners Club"
http://www.zebra.net/~scottmueller/Web%20Page/aaanothe.htm
Remember April 3, 1999 - Camillia Classic Car Show in Mobile Alabama
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:52:50 -0500 (EST)
From: WINGER2@xxxxxxxxx (TRENT BAILEY)
Subject: Re: DML: Any information on Scientific Automotive? or Ben Byrd?
Does anyone have the phone number of Future Tech.
Trent Bailey
email: winger2@xxxxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:46:28 -0500
From: Michael Pack <mpack1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: 1984 Delorean
The 1984 Delorean was never produced. Except for a few prototypes that
were being developed by legend turbo inc. The 1984 Delorean never went
into production...(((1983 Corvette never went into "actual" production,
only a few were built, etc. yadda yadda yadda))).
The DeLorean with its virtues had a significant
impact on the Corvette. John DeLorean wanted to produce a sophisticated
machine to "kill" the Corvette. In my opinion, just as you are intitled to
yours, the DeLorean Twin Turbo was a threat to the Corvette. Chevy knew
that under John DeLoreans direction he created a profitable car division
(chevrolet) and he had the know how and ability to create something that
challenged what GM offered in terms of a "luxury Sports Car". It's sad to
say that except for only a few us that know this, the public will
remember
John DeLorean with drugs etc, not the savior to GM what Lee Iacocca was
for Chrysler. John DeLorean IS the father of the Muscle Car era.
IF the 1984 twin turbo Delorean with a 0-60 time of 5 seconds, a
twenty-five year body warranty, and a fifty thousand mile- 5 year engine
warranty had been produced, it would have killed the Corvette. In
1984, the Delorean would have outsold many of its competitors, including
the Corvette.(((...THIS IS WHAT THE COMPANY HAD PLANNED))).
I purchased a 1996 Automatic Collector Edition Corvette new.
After dealing with GM and their service departments I'm thankful that I
waited a year
and a half for my DeLorean restoration. Yes I sold the Vette after 8
months of ownership. I'll never sell my DeLorean.
Thats just my opinion.
Sincerely
Michael "I think John DeLorean didn't like Corvettes" Pack
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 07:45:22 PST
From: "Darrin Nieves" <d_nieves@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Rotary Delorean
Rotary (13B) engines can last longer that 150K if:
Constant oil changes (every 2500 mi like clock work) and never drive
with an antifreeze leak (overheating is the #1 killer). The 3rd
generation RX7 (93+) is prone to terrible engine problems because of its
cracking twin turbos and crazy drivers. The 13B would be perfect for
the Delorean (especially an 1988 Turbo II) because it's size, weight and
power would make the Delorean fly.
P.S. once you understand how a rotary works, you'll be amazed by its
simplicity!
Darrin
86RX7
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:56:08 EST
From: ABatt10347@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Wind deflector for sun roof
Fellow DMCer's,
Thought you would get a kick out of this. While checking out the web site
of
Performance Products (http:www.performanceproducts.com) I found a listing
for
Delorean. In searching this out I found, wind deflectors for the sun
roof. For
those wanting to do the ultimate custom here is something I have NEVER
seen on
a D.
And hope I never do!!!
Bruce Battles
Vin 6569
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:56:33 +0000
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DOC Site Update
I have now uploaded the document regarding the custom free-flow exhaust
modifications Simon Lees-Milne had made for his DeLorean, including a
photograph of the manifolds.
Best Wishes,
Martin
http://delorean.connect-2.co.uk/technical.htm
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:39:16 -0600
From: "James DeBroeck" <executor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Legend Turbo setup
I was just reading Stainless Steel Illusion and was wondering if anyone =
on the list has duplicated or knows someone who has duplicated the =
Legend Industries twin turbo setup on their DeLoreans.
Also, did DMC ever sell any of the cars that were modified by Legend?
Happy New Year
James DeBroeck
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:59:32 -0500
From: David Sontos <sontos@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Cross Reference Update
For those of you keeping Cross Reference Lists please make the following
corrections:
Wheel Stud: Wheel Tite 28251 is Incorrect because it has a 1/2-20 thread
for US cars.
I have four Doorman 610-376 wheel studs due on Monday I believe are the
correct size for our cars (M12-1.50 x 49mm long)
The Grey paint number from NAPA auto stores is Incorrect as 785732. It
should be number 785372 for the GM Medium Grey Poly paint. Which in my
opinion is too dark a grey for the facias. I continue my quest to find
the Ditzler (PPG) DAU-33584 paint formula.
I am also using the NAPA 1348 small oil filter because I don't have the
45 degree adapter on my oil pressure sender unit to allow me to use the
larger diameter oil filters. I also use the NAPA 3156 fuel filter.
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