dmcnews-digest Wednesday, January 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 465
In this issue:
DML: British Car Show 99
Re: DML: Changes over the three years at DMC
Re: DML: More ? on Frozen Throttle cable
DML: Happy B-Day, JZD
DML: Re: The DeLorean: Gold Portfolio - buy it online!
DML: Rear anti sway bar
Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
DML: PARTS CAR ('81) FOR SALE
DML: Prices and locations
Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
DML: Paint removal from your red Delorean
DML: Re: Rear anti sway bar
Re: DML: PARTS CAR ('81) FOR SALE
Re: DML: Intercoolers
Re: DML: Stainless Solutions
Re: DML: paint removel
DML: Limited Edition Picts.
Re: DML: Intercoolers
Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
Re: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
Re: DML: Legend Turbo setup
DML: New to list.
Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
DML: Re: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
Re: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
DML: SS prices and frame
Re: DML: New to list.
DML: Delorean Model
DML: Re:Louvres was Stainless Solutions
Re: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
DML: Correct phone number for Teri Jennings/Bert Middleton
DML: Parts Interchange List
Re: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
DML: Re: Intercoolers
Re: DML: Re: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
Fw: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:15:29 EST
From: ABatt10347@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: British Car Show 99
Fellow DMCer's,
With some D's resting for the winter and others on the road. I'd like to
take
the time to invite anyone in the South Eastern part of the US to a show
on May
1, 1999 in Townsend , TN. Yes, I know this is 5+ months in advance but the
Blount British Car Club has agreed to add a class for Deloreans. ( Thank
you
Scott M, for the idea!) The show is an all British show, however they
have let
me in for the last two years. ( Irish flag and all) The only problem was
they
had no class to put me, so I had to compete against vintage Rolls Royces.
(yes
I did win second place one year!!!) Anyway, the show is held in the Smokey
Mountains and is a few miles from Cades Cove. ( a must see).The judging
is by
vote of the car owners only. The fee is donated to the Blount Children
Home.
For those of us in this area of the country we can go to Mobile in April
and
then meet up again in TN in May. For those who have never entered your
car in
a show it is a great way to meet fellow drivers and answer tons of
questions
about your car. It is also a great feeling to have people ask if they can
take
a photo of your car! Contact me via email for more details.
Bruce Battles
Vin 6569
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:29:13 -0800
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Changes over the three years at DMC
When I bought my DeLorean the dealer had several in his lot. There were
both
'81's and '82's. The '82's had hoods without creases and the DeLorean logo
fixed to the corner. Some had power antennas and some had fender antennas.
At that time there were no '83's and the company was still in business. I
think it was Joe that said almost all the cars went through the quality
assurance centers on the two coasts and many times replacement parts were
used that didn't necessarily correspond with one year or another. Many
cars,
my own included, had stickers affixed to the side window testifying that
they were quality assured. In my car's case it has proven incredibly
reliable over the years but after a couple of years of ownership I
discovered that the left front fender had been reworked a bit. It was only
noticeable under certain lighting conditions. It would seem that, while
there was a definite distinction in model years by the factory, the costly
process of running the cars through the quality centers created some
variables in individual cars. With that said, exactly how do you judge a
concourse car?
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:31:03 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: More ? on Frozen Throttle cable
This is probably a "me too" post but it is important. We have seen many
DeLoreans require extensive repairs due to damage to fuel system
components
because of not being regularly started. The post below by William T.
Wilson
is very
accurate.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
>Yeah, you ought to do this. If you don't, you run the risk of fuel
>scrubbery. As the gas sits in the fuel system it eats away at the
>materials. This causes your fuel system components to deteriorate and,
>when you do run the car, all the goop and stale gas gets flushed into the
>engine, this is very bad and makes it not run. It is better to start the
>car every week than to not do it and risk a fuel system overhaul, even
>though you can probably get away with missing a week here and there, don't
>let it sit all winter for example. This will also help keep your battery
>charged, although if your car will be in storage or something similar, you
>ought to disconnect it when not in use.
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:41:17 -0800 (PST)
From: DMC_12@xxxxxxxxx (Justin Friel)
Subject: DML: Happy B-Day, JZD
Just wanted to wish John DeLorean (my biggest idol) a Happy Birthday!!!!
- --HAPPY BIRTHDAY--
Jay
"We felt that to identify a new company, the sports car gave you the
image of being youthful, aggressive and adventurous..."
---John Z. DeLorean
Visit my page for information on the
DeLorean, the most "ethical" sports car:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/jfriel
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:40:20 -0600
From: magriese@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Re: The DeLorean: Gold Portfolio - buy it online!
I have both and they do cover some different territory.
The Gold Portfolio has a collection of articles from
automotive magazines from the time before the car
was introduced to the present. It is interesting to read
the opinions of the press, something SSI doesn't have.
Michael A. Griese
Storage Software Development Manager
IBM Storage Systems Division
Rochester, MN 55901
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:51:25 PST
From: "Marc Barth" <d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Rear anti sway bar
Has anybody successfully added a rear sway bar to their DMC and/or
upgraded the front bar in the process? What sizes did you use when
upgrading the bars? Does anybody know the size of the stock front anti
sway bar (mm)? Thanks for all the help.
Marc
d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:47:37 -0500
From: Joe Capasso <capasso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
Someone also told me that when they were making DeLoreans they had
trouble
getting the V-6 so they had to put 4 cylinder engines in.... Is this true?
Joe
capasso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Dave Price wrote:
> Hey all! I just had to pass this one on...
>
> I drove my D to the local auto parts store today and as soon as I walked
> in
> the door, I heard the two guys working there talking about DeLoreans
> (obviously prompted by seeing me pull into the parking lot). As soon as I
> approached the counter one of the guys asked me if I had a 4-cylinder D,
> or
> if I had the "rare" 6-cylinder model. I chuckled and told him that all
> D's
> were 6's. His reply: "I've worked on several DeLoreans, and they all had
> 4-cylinder Fiat engines". I tried to tell him he was wrong in the nicest
> possible way, but he just wouldn't acknowledge it. So I brushed it off
> with
(SNIP)
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:37:12 EST
From: dmcnut@xxxxxxxx (David Toscano)
Subject: DML: PARTS CAR ('81) FOR SALE
Located in central Massachusetts...
Car was in a rollover, minus engine and interior, early '81 wheels in
great shape (buy it for those alone), obviously needs a lot of work if it
is to be restored. Frame looks pretty straight, I have not had it
checked by a pro. $1000, you haul. Email me for more info.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:21:01 EST
From: Dod1956498@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Prices and locations
About what is the cheapest price I could buy a De Lorean car that
runs,
good body,exhaust,A\C,stereo,and where could I get it and how could I get
it
to my home in West Virginia?
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:24:49 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
> Someone also told me that when they were making DeLoreans they had
>trouble
>getting the V-6 so they had to put 4 cylinder engines in.... Is this true?
>
None that were sold... It's possible that early prototypes used 4-cylinder
engines...
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:58:38 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Joe Capasso wrote:
> Someone also told me that when they were making DeLoreans they had
> trouble getting the V-6 so they had to put 4 cylinder engines in.... Is
> this true?
I've heard this same rumor. And last week somebody told me that the REAL
DeLorean was a front engine Ford V8. Where do these rumors come from!?
If you search in Deja News you can see people claiming the DeLorean had 4
cylinder engines. No one can agree on who manufactured these 4 cylinder
engines. ;) In fact there were no production DeLoreans with the 4
banger.
Some prototypes had 4 cylinder Citroen(?) engines. I don't know the specs
on the 4 cylinder but I'm sure that it would have been woefully
inadequate, hence the V6.
As for trouble getting the V-6, I never heard of that. The PRV was a
high-volume engine used in many different models of car. I'd be
interested in knowing the history of the engine and why that particular
one was chosen, rather than for example the Rover V8 which is known to fit
well. Was it to save fuel economy? I've heard (I think in Grand
Delusions) that it was chosen because Renault was the only
engine/transmission maker that would accomodate the rear engine design.
But that doesn't make sense to me. Volkswagen and Porsche have made rear
engine cars forever...
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:39:08 -0500
From: Kerry R Brennan <KrayBrennan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Paint removal from your red Delorean
There is a stripping company in my area ( Chicago Burbs ) that does quite=
a
bit of automotive stripping. Some of this is for restorers, those who mig=
ht
be doing something like a ground up ( not the same as groung beef )
reconstruction of a special car. The company is called Redi-Strip and the=
y
are located in several major population areas across the country.As it wa=
s
explained to me, their process uses a caustic bath in combination with an=
electrolytic cleaning method which takes all the paint off down to bare
metal. I've seen an auto frame and some other metal parts that had been
done and were sitting on their floor waiting to be picked up. They
basically looked like they were new, they were perfectly clean and all th=
e
rust was gone. Rust is not a problem for you, but I'm considering doing a=
"D" frame in the near future, so it is for me. =
Anyway, I would certainly try to see these people to get some input from
them on your "D" body panels. If any process could get them back to bare=
metal I would cetainly think these guys could do it. Have you been able t=
o
see the condition of the panels under the paint ? Will some need to be
replaced due to damage or has the metal been roughed up enough in the pai=
nt
prep process to mean some extensive work for you after they are stripped =
?
In any case, good luck, it sounds like a big job.
Kerry Brennan # 3717
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:32:54 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Rear anti sway bar
>Has anybody successfully added a rear sway bar to their DMC and/or
>upgraded the front bar in the process? What sizes did you use when
>upgrading the bars? Does anybody know the size of the stock front anti
>sway bar (mm)? Thanks for all the help.
>
I don't have any experience with the bars, but I found a source for a rear
bar...
http://www.addcoindustries.com/
Just click on "applications" and type "delorean" ... It comes up with the
rear bar and a couple urethane bushings...
- - Dave
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:42:47 EST
From: DMC5524@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: PARTS CAR ('81) FOR SALE
If anyone goes and looks at this car PLEASE take pictures. I have never
heard
of a DeLorean rolling over and I think it would be interesting to see how
it
looks.
MDC
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 01:16:37 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Intercoolers
On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Martin Gutkowski (UK) wrote:
> <SNIP> (I think the inter coolers were between the scoops and the
> turbo). <SNIP>
>
> Not being pedantic; I thought intercoolers were placed between
> pressurising implement (turbo or supercharger) and inlet manifold
> because in
That's right, they are. But of course, physically the intercooler can be
just about anywhere, especially in a cramped engine bay. It's more
important that it be cool, rather than close by. It's only required that
the air flow through the turbo, then the intercooler, and finally into the
manifold, in the proper order. I just assumed that the air came in one
scoop, was compressed, then passed through an intercooler drawing air from
the other scoop. Supposedly the Legend prototypes had twin intercoolers.
That would be interesting to look at. This is the only reasonable way I
can think of to put an intercooler in the DeLorean. You can't use air
from under the car because you will suck up all kinds of debris from the
road. You can't bring in air from above the car because it would look
quite silly.
> the air is heated (physical fact of any substance) which reduces its
> "expandability" during combustion.
Actually the problem is that heated air is less dense than cool air at a
given pressure. So if you don't intercool your air, you get less air for
the pressure. In addition hot air is more likely to induce detonation.
Therefore you have to run less boost pressure as well to bring down the
temperature. You lose on two counts.
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:43:50 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Stainless Solutions
At 10:19 PM 1/4/99 EST, you wrote:
>DML'ers,
>
>I stumbled into something that alot of you may be interested in. I did
>some
>repair work on my louvres last weekend, with the help of a friend. As it
>turns out, this fella has the means to create a stainless steel
brace..........Snip......
Hi Jeff,
There was a fix for the ol'e louver in the form of a saw toothed
aluminium
strip that went down the center rib on the bottom side of the louver. My
guess is that many owners would be interested. I think what you would need
to do is get some photos of your fix parts and post them, just ask how
many
would be interested and use the responce as your base number.
I did this with the keys and have shipped over 500 sets over the last 18
MOs'
BTW I have re-done yours...I will private e-mail you on them....wink!
Lee
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:57:17 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: paint removel
At 10:33 AM 1/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Anyone know the address and name of the company that makes the
>flap-wheel for the D's surface?
> In Ken's recent post he said it is in Indianapolis.
>Thanks,
>Dan
>
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reply:
Yes,
Check the Arc's in the DML, I posted all the information you need to get
the tool and emery belts. The tool will fit any standard 1/4 inch electric
drill chuck.
Lee
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:29:50 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Limited Edition Picts.
Hello All,
Finally, they are ready............RIGHT?.........
Yep finished the pictures this morning at 3AM and sent them off to our
web
master for posting. The are titled "Kits-1 and Kits-2".
Barring any errors on my part you should be able to view them after 5PM
PST @
http://www.totalimmersion.com/kits-1.html (and) /kits-2.html
A full text description of the contents of these two picture files will
be
found listed as "kitsText" on the DMC Bulletin board.
The current status: The kits as you can see are complete. One last
item,
the assembly instructions need some proofing and testing. Shipping
notification instructions and details for both pre-paid and un-paid
reservations will also be posted on the Bulletin Board. Current pre-paid
kits are now being shipped to experienced kit builders as requested.
Just a reminder that January 15th is the reservation dead line, if you
intend to use your reservation, now is the time to do it. Remember that
if
you have a reservation and do not execute it by the dead line, you will
not receive any notification, your name will go to the end of the list
and the next person on the waiting list will get your place in line.
If you have questions or are unsure, please e-mail me privately or use
the
Bulletin board.
Thanks
Lee
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:50:26 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Intercoolers
I agree that this is how I would expect it to be.
I looked at the motor removed from the car, and I did not see where
inter coolers could be installed between the turbo and the intake.
"Martin Gutkowski (UK)" wrote:
>
> Marc A Levy wrote:
>
> <SNIP> (I think the inter coolers were between the scoops and the
> turbo). <SNIP>
>
> Not being pedantic; I thought intercoolers were placed between
> pressurising
> implement (turbo or supercharger) and inlet manifold because in
> pressurisation,
> the air is heated (physical fact of any substance) which reduces its
> "expandability"
> during combustion.
>
> Am I wrong to think this applies to all cases?
>
> Martin
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:05:01 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
I recall the day I drove my original D home from the dealership. To say
that I was popping the buttons off my clothes would be an understatement.
I had acquired my dream. JZD said "Live the Dream" and I wa doing just
that!
Pulled the car carefully into the driveway and left it out (NOT in the
garage) so that the neighbors could all see and be jealous. A couple of
neighbor kids, perhaps 9 or 10 years old, came by to look at the car. I
expected "oh's and ah's". Instead, I was totally deflated when the one
kid
said to the other, "My Mom said it's a kit car with a VW engine".
One of a thousand such stories we could all put together in a book
- --hmmmm.
Dick Ryan
VIN 16867
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:26:24 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
At 11:47 PM 1/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
> Someone also told me that when they were making DeLoreans they had
>trouble
>getting the V-6 so they had to put 4 cylinder engines in.... Is this true?
>
reply:
NO thats not true. What is true is that there was a Ford 4 installed
early
in the proto type stage, but once production started nothing but the 6 was
ever installed.
Lee
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:03:47 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
At 01:34 PM 1/5/99 EST, you wrote:
>
>Hey Bill, I have an automatic with 49K on it and it works like butter and
>a
>hot knife. I can see how an abused auto can be frustrating, but please
>don't
>damn the 'breed' because someone complains about his lemon. I have my
>car for
>sale because of the auto tranny. It's too smooth, I want a 5 speed.
>"Born
>to shift." But the basic trannie, well maintained, with an external
>cooler
>(even Ed Bernstein has one on his 200K+ 'D') is as good as they came in
>1981-83. Regards, Joe
>
>
reply:
Joe,
I have never liked automatics on any car, and yes I know that there are
some very hot muscle cars with automatics that do just fine. I can't
imagine an automatic in a psorts car as a fundamental part of a
performance
package.
I do have a question about coolers. I make the assumption you are
referring to an external oil cooler. my question given this assumption is
where on the engine is the pick-up and return for the additional oil
cooler
lines.
Lee
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:27:13 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Legend Turbo setup
<snip>
>The rear quarter windows were replaced with air scoops that fed the turbos
<snip>
Does anyone have pictures of these scoops? Anyone interested in producing
replicas? (Lee?)
- - Dave
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:53:14 EST
From: WaltHobbs@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: New to list.
Good morning,
Am new to list this AM and have a few questions.
In the past I had always admired the DeLorean from afar while watching
the Ads
in Hemmings for prices in the 15-25k price range.
Recently sold my BMW motorcycles due to growing family responsibilities
but
did buy a Miata a couple of months ago. This is a fun and reliable car
and I
can take my 2 year old with me and have Spousal approval.
Now of course the opportunity to purchase a DeLorean "cheap" arises.
I have not seen the car but this is what I know.
'81, not painted. Manual. Has fuel filler flap
Present owner stored it two years go without prep.
Now turns over but will not start.
Price is $5000.00 may be negotiable.
>From what I have seen in the on line classifieds this would be a bargain,
maybe.
I have a thousand questions but here are a few.
What are the most likely problems in getting the car running?
Is this car a daily driver or a hobby car that needs constant attention to
keep it running? (Sort of like British motorcycles. One hour riding and
3
hours wrenching.)
Is there a list of the "upgrades" that I have seen referred to? IE: Car
has
all upgrades.
Any particular problems with this car? Quick review of the archives shows
that overheating is common.
Well that's it for a start.
Thanks in advance for you wisdom.
Walt
walthobbs@xxxxxxx
Lincoln, RI
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:25:38 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
Joe,
No; there was never a supply shortage of the DeLorean PRV and it is the
only engine installed in regular production vehicles.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:18:22 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
Dave,
Your experience brought to mind a similar experience I had several years
back. I was headed to a local restaurant to pick up an order to go, when I
walked through the door the manager, who knew me as a regular patron, meet
me at the door and quickly escorted me to a table where an auto mechanic
in
uniform was sitting eating his meal. Without an introduction and with a
big
smile on his face the restaurant manager said to me, "Joe, tell this guy
what kind of an engine is in your car"! I quickly responded with the
obvious. The manager than put his hand out and the mechanic, reluctantly,
handed him ten dollars. The manager filled in the details and told me that
just after I called in my order the mechanic walked through the door and
the manager told him there was a DeLorean on the way. A discussion of the
DeLoran began. The mechanic, who insisted he was familiar with DeLoreans
and had worked on them, commented that they had Ford engines. The manager,
who was familiar with my car, told him they did not. A ten dollar wager
was
established. The manager knew the correct answer would be at hand in short
order. END OF STORY.
Your experience and my experience remind me of what many DeLorean owners
go
through when they have their cars serviced by "so called" experienced
DeLorean mechanics.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:56:37 EST
From: JSteuben@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
Hi Lee,
I was refering to the external trannie cooler, but I also have the oil
cooler.
The lines hookup to a neat adaptor that sits in the oil filter's hole. It
works great, and even though they recommend different filters, I found
that
the original stock still works fine. If you are interested, I got both
coolers from Teri Jennings, 1202 N. Dalton, Azusa, CA 91702, (818)
334-5262.
My feeling is that anything one can do to dissipate heat on a DeLorean is
a
real plus, for HP and engine life. Regards, Joe
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:36:37 EST
From: tomciodmc@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: SS prices and frame
Hi all,
Can anybody tell me how much are used SS panels and doors worth? Also, I
am
looking for a frame M/T, preferably used. Any input will be appreciated.
Email me directly.
Tom Niemczewski
tomciodmc@xxxxxxx
vin 6298
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:16:12 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: New to list.
On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 WaltHobbs@xxxxxxx wrote:
> In the past I had always admired the DeLorean from afar while watching
> the Ads in Hemmings for prices in the 15-25k price range.
Good news. On www.dmcnews.com there is a for-sale area. Good (not
excellent) DeLoreans frequently sell for rather closer to $15K than $25K.
> Present owner stored it two years go without prep.
> Now turns over but will not start.
> Price is $5000.00 may be negotiable.
That's a good price if your electrical, interior, and body are in good
condition. If the car was stored indoors it probably is. How was the
electrical before the car was stored?
Unfortunately much of your fuel system will need to be replaced (pump,
pickup line, filter, maybe accumulator, and assorted fuel lines) and your
engine is now full of parts of the fuel system. Two days ago I posted an
article on restoration. It'll turn up in the digest archives soon and
then you can read it or I can email it to you privately.
You'll also want to check out the clutch and brakes. After only two
years, you can possibly get away without rebuilding them, but you should
at least change all the fluids. Use DOT 5 brake fluid.
> What are the most likely problems in getting the car running?
You will want to search the list archives. There are a lot of articles in
there on cleaning out a rotted fuel system. That's going to be your
biggest problem.
> Is this car a daily driver or a hobby car that needs constant attention to
> keep it running? (Sort of like British motorcycles. One hour riding and
Depends. The consensus is that a fixer-upper is something you should get
if you want to fix it up or if you want to do modifications. If you just
want a fun car to drive, in the long run it will be easier and probably
cheaper to buy one that's already in good shape. The DeLorean is
mechanically capable of being a very reliable car if well maintained, but
it is 18 years old.
Most DeLorean owners do not use their cars every day (although many do),
but I think it is because they tend to have other cars that they are more
willing to "use up" day to day, or which are larger/faster/more
practical/whatever, and not because they are worried about the
reliability. Most things that do go wrong on the DeLorean are fairly easy
to correct, easy to find parts for, and chances are someone on the list
has seen it before.
> Any particular problems with this car? Quick review of the archives shows
> that overheating is common.
Overheating is a problem, but it is one of the easy problems to fix. The
cooling system is strange and you must bleed all the air out or it won't
work. This is the most common cause of overheating. The stock radiator
is a little bit underpowered for the car and it can overheat in heavy
traffic on hot days. PJ Grady in New York sells an aftermarket radiatior
which is much more capable and which never overheats (if the cooling
system is working correctly); however, unless you use the car frequently
under harsh conditions, you probably don't need it. If you add a
turbocharger you should probably get it.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:38:28 -0800
From: "Donovan Pittman" <DPittman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Delorean Model
I just received my Delorean body conversion for the Back to The Future
Model.
Now I cant seem to find that model anywhere. If anybody has them for sale
or knows where I can purchase them
please let me know.
Donovan
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:33:34 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Re:Louvres was Stainless Solutions
Teri Jennings sold a brace for the louvres and I think she still does. I
have had one on my previous D and switched those louvres over to my new
one
and the louvres have nary a hint of a crack. The brace has been on my
cars
for over 10 years. It is essentially invisible.
Dick Ryan
VIN 16867
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:47:23 EST
From: Ad8302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
In a message dated 1/6/99 1:17:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JSteuben@xxxxxxx
writes:
<< If you are interested, I got both
coolers from Teri Jennings, 1202 N. Dalton, Azusa, CA 91702, (818)
334-5262.
My feeling is that anything one can do to dissipate heat on a DeLorean
is
a
real plus, for HP and engine life. Regards, Joe
>>
I tried to call this guy but that number isnt any good......do you have an
updated number or know anyone else who sells the oil cooler??
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 99 14:49:13 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Correct phone number for Teri Jennings/Bert Middleton
>> If you are interested, I got both
>> coolers from Teri Jennings, 1202 N. Dalton, Azusa, CA 91702, (818)
>> 334-5262.
>> My feeling is that anything one can do to dissipate heat on a DeLorean is
>> a real plus, for HP and engine life. Regards, Joe
>I tried to call this guy but that number isnt any good......do you have an
>updated number or know anyone else who sells the oil cooler??
New area code there is 626.
Try 626/334-5262
They have headlight covers, oil and traany coolers, louvre brace and
more...
Tell them you got it from the DeLorean Mailing List.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:47:48 -0500
From: Aldo.Buono@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Parts Interchange List
I read with interest and some bewilderment when Joe LoRe mentioned
that he had been purchasing blower motors from service centers that
required reversing the wiring to make them turn in the right
direction. Why would a service center sell the wrong part when the
right part was available over the counter.
Joe commended Darryl Tinnerstet for the correct NAPA interchange.
That interchange part has been listed on our club's Parts
Interchange List for at least five years. The Delco interchange has
been listed for ten years. THey both turn in the correct direction.
I have bitten my tongue on numerous occasions when I have seen
parts interchange lists criticized for any number of reasons. I
have been encouraged by the supportive replies on DML.
Our Parts Interchange List exists for one purpose, to assist the
owners and the service centers to maintain De Loreans.
I read DML religiously, and I incorporate your suggestions into it
when the discussion on the DML supports your suggestions.
Our Parts Interchange List is being revised as we speak. If you
would like to share your interchanges with us, we will gladly
reciprocate with a complimentary copy of the list when it is
published in April.
All members of De Lorean Midatlantic receive a copy of the list each
year as a benefit of membership in the club. Membership information
is available at www.dmcnews.com under the "Clubs" link.
Aldo Buono, President
De Lorean Midatlantic
515 W. Chelten Ave. Suite 1009
Philadelphia PA 19144
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:22:41 EST
From: JSteuben@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
Sorry I don't. In the kit were instructions from a company called
Perma-Cool.
They furnished the cooler. There's no telephone # , but you may try
information. They are located in Covina, CA 91723-1314. Same might
work for
Terri Jennings (female). BTY Raddad just referenced her, maybe he has
more
current data. Good hunting, Joe
PS one of the racecar suppliers that I have catalogs on, has an adapter
that
looks just like the one in Terri's kit.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:35:58 -0800
From: "Robert Rooney" <DMCVegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Intercoolers
Maybe it's just me, but I was always under the impression that the
intercoolers were designed to cool air down in order to compress it so
that
there is more space available for an additional amount of air to be pumped
into the engine for a hotter, more efficient, & quicker burn inside the
combustion chambers (same principal as Nitrous Oxide,)and thus speed up
the
motor. Hence why they are usually mounted in the front of most cars to
catch
airflow. If I am wrong about something, please let me know.
- -Robert
>Marc A Levy wrote:
><SNIP> (I think the inter coolers were between the scoops and the
>turbo). <SNIP>
>Not being pedantic; I thought intercoolers were placed between
>pressurising
>(turbo or supercharger) and inlet manifold because in
>pressurisation,
>the air is heated (physical fact of any substance) which reduces its
>"expandability"
>during combustion.
>Am I wrong to think this applies to all cases?
>Martin
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:38:32 +0000
From: "Martin Gutkowski (UK)" <martin.is@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Humor- yet another misconception about DeLoreans...
Okay, If we're talking misconceptions, I thought you might like to hear
some
of the thing people said about at the car shows I've attended:
1: "Oh, yes, brushed aluminium bodies"
2: "Hey, there must be something wrong, the doors make no noise!"
3: "they only ever made about 500 of those"
4: "it's just a Lotus with stupid doors"
...when I think of more that I've heard, I'll let you know :-)
Martin
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:40:24 -0800
From: "Todd Connors" <TCConnors@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
The area code in Azusa, CA is now (626).
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ad8302@xxxxxxx <Ad8302@xxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Don't damn the automatics (was: Re: DML: HELP!
>In a message dated 1/6/99 1:17:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>JSteuben@xxxxxxx
>writes:
>
><< If you are interested, I got both
> coolers from Teri Jennings, 1202 N. Dalton, Azusa, CA 91702, (818)
> 334-5262.
> My feeling is that anything one can do to dissipate heat on a DeLorean
>is
> a
> real plus, for HP and engine life. Regards, Joe
> >>
>I tried to call this guy but that number isnt any good......do you have an
>updated number or know anyone else who sells the oil cooler??
>
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