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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re:Re: "Black" DeLoreans
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: "Black" DeLoreans
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxxxxxxx>
3. RE: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. RE: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: Heat Stove Function.
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Are there any local Charlotte, NC DMC Shops
From: "Jason Perkins" <jperkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Limited Edition model #088 for sale
From: "bttfcom" <stephen@xxxxxxxx>
8. Old Car Scrappage Alert
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker@xxxxxxxxx>
9. RE: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham@xxxxxxxxx>
10. Geek Project
From: "Chris Boden" <cboden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
From: Senatorpack@xxxxxx
12. Re: Are there any local Charlotte, NC DMC Shops
From: "reuterconsulting" <reuterconsulting@xxxxxxxxx>
13. Updated pictures of my car!
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
From: Jack The Stripper <motti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
15. Re: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
From: Jack The Stripper <motti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
16. Cold start problems
From: wilhelm starberg <wilm@xxxxxxx>
17. car #501 (WAS: "Black" DeLoreans)
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
18. Car #500 (WAS: "Black" DeLoreans)
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
19. Crawford Museum (was Re: "Black" DeLoreans)
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
20. RE: Old Car Scrappage Alert
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:40:48 -0000
From: "dmcnorway" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re:Re: "Black" DeLoreans
Youre correct, but a service bulletin states that the guarantee began
from VIN 560 ->
So why didnt 501-559 get a factory guarantee?
Just curious...
Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway
VIN # 06759
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, comet4055@xxxx wrote:
> Vin # 556 would be a normal production car, beings as the numbering
began at 501 for production DeLoreans.
>
> Trevor Johnson
> # 6974 and 4055
> www.deloreancars.homestead.com
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:42:00 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, "Bob & Vicky Miller" <delo1@xxxx> wrote:
>
>
> hello all in reference to the black deloreans/ i have just
acquired
> #686. this car has several thing that make it different from the
later ones.
> the frame# is 265. the coating on the rear pontons is also a
different type.
> if any one has any extra information on this car please let me
know .thanx
> bob miller several vin #s
There is some intersting information about particular VINs in the DMC
production chronology available on the DMCNews web site. According to
DMC records, #686 was a DMC company car assigned to E. Cafiero.
From the archives, it is interesting to note the number of early-VIN
cars that were used as DMC company cars as well as engineering cars
for key suppliers. If you have a low-VIN car, you might take a look
at the VIN list since there is a chance that your car was a DMC
company car.
The cars prior to about 560 appear to be mainly engineering cars
(with an occasional company car thrown in). It is likely that the DMC
warranty coverage starting at car 560 reflects the fact that the cars
prior to 560 were primarily engineering cars that DMC did not want to
incur warranty liability for.
Knut
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:53:03 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
I think many of the early cars were like this..
"DUSTY" has a odd looking texture on the rear pontoons.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob & Vicky Miller [mailto:delo1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:21 PM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [DML] Re: "Black" DeLoreans
hello all in reference to the black deloreans/ i have just acquired
#686. this car has several thing that make it different from the later
ones.
the frame# is 265. the coating on the rear pontons is also a different
type.
if any one has any extra information on this car please let me know
.thanx
bob miller several vin #s
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:54:00 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
#500 was the first production DeLorean. It is in the Crawford auto
museum.
#501 and #502 were sent to Legend Industries.
-----Original Message-----
From: comet4055@xxxxxxxx [mailto:comet4055@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:13 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re:[DML] Re: "Black" DeLoreans
Vin # 556 would be a normal production car, beings as the numbering
began at 501 for production DeLoreans.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:17:02 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Heat Stove Function.
You are confusing the heat stove or air intake preheat system with
"carb heat" that is used on airplane engines with carbureators. In
airplanes the air must be heated because not only is there a temp drop
because of the venturies but you are also evaporating fuel there which
also lowers the temp (sometimes below freezing). On the Delorean the
fuel isn't induced into the air stream until after the air sensor
plate. The preheat system is only going to be active when it's cold
and the engine is warming up unless it is extremely cold in which case
it may stay on. It's only purpose is to help the car warm up quicker.
Once the engine is warmed up the engine itself "preheats" the air as
it enters the manifold before injecting fuel into the warmed air. If
you are experiencing carb ice then the air is probably supersaturated
below the dew point and close to freezing, an uncommon situation in
most areas of the country (on the ground). This almost never happens
on fuel injected engines anyway. I agree that the intake is
restrictive but just tinkering with it alone won't do very much, what
goes in must come out so if the exhaust is also restrictive it wil
become the limiting factor. In fact you can gain more there because
heated gases expand so the air going in needs more room to get out.
The exhaust system must be oversized compared to the intake to
accomplish this. Also it is usually not a great idea to combine the
two cylinder head exhausts, they should be kept separate but it was
done on the Delorean so there is only 1 catalytic converter.
Back in hot-rodding days the first thing you would do after changing
the tires was to put headers in because that gives the biggest bang
for the buck and is necessary for all other improvements.
--- In dmcnews@xxxx, jwit6@xxxx wrote:
> Under the right conditions, temp and humidity, running without
preheated air entering the intake tract can cause carb/throttle body
ice build up. This may not be a common problem with Deloreans but has
happened to me on other automobiles and is entirely possible on the D.
The engineers knew this and although the Delorean doesn't have the
restrictive venturi of a conventional carb, it's still capable of
icing up.
>
> "dmc6960" <ultra@xxxx> wrote:
>
> >I must disagree with you on this John. You say the air valve is to
> >keep water in the fuel system from freezing?
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:03:42 -0500
From: "Jason Perkins" <jperkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Are there any local Charlotte, NC DMC Shops
I finally had my 83 DMC shipped to my home here in Charlotte, NC. Now
the fun and expenses begin. While it only has 2500 miles on it, and it
in great condition, there are the 20 year old worries to be updated.
Can anyone provide a local shop name where I can get my car road worth
again? Also while the car drives great (as it has been stored for the
past 20 years in a climate controlled garage), I know it will need a few
adjustments to become a 2nd weekly driver. For my thought are I bought
a DeLorean to enjoy driving it, and not just looking at it.
Updates needed:
Door Struts, Coolant bottle, oil change, Radaitor flush, Transmission
flush / checkup, new tires (the originals look great, but I don't trust
driving on 20 year old tires).
Thanks in advance for all this groups help. This is a great resource to
have.
Jason Perkins
#16665
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:25:07 -0000
From: "bttfcom" <stephen@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Limited Edition model #088 for sale
I recently received my model #088 from Lee's 1997 kit project (thanks
Ken!). After approximately 4 years of waiting on this product, I've
decided that it wasn't exactly what I was expecting and my needs over
this time period have changed. Not being a DeLorean owner myself, I'm
sure I cannot appreciate the item as much as someone who is.
Thus, I've decided to make available mine that I "commissioned" from
Lee many moons ago. Not trying to make a profit off it, but would
like to get my original investment out of it: $132.50 ($125.00 plus
$7.50 S/H). Checks or money orders are fine, as are Visa or
MasterCard. It's mint and unassembled as I received it.
Anyone interested in the car, please email me. Thanks...
-- Stephen @ BTTF.com
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:50:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Old Car Scrappage Alert
[Moderator Note] - Edited slightly - Look at this as an "announcement", not the start of a thread. Replies will probably not be posted due to a lack of specific DeLorean content. Additional information at http://www.sema.org/fedleg/fedredhot/scrappage1201.html
Moderator: Websites for VW's, Street Rods and the like
are posting this to make collectors aware. Since this
affects our DeLoreans as well, I think it should be
posted on the DML. I am forwarding it as received.
Dick Ryan
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
--- Steve Watson <steve@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
> URGENT ALERT
> U.S. SENATE BILL WOULD FUND SCRAPPAGE PROGRAMS
> NATIONALLY
>
>
> We have recently been advise by SEMA, the Specialty
> Equipment Market
> Association, the trade association for automotive
> aftermarket product
> manufacturers, retailers, representatives, etc., of
> the following
> significant development.
>
> A Senate bill (#S.1766), authored by Senators
> Daschle (D-SD) and Bingaman
> (D-NM), has been introduced in the Senate containing
> a provision (Section
> 803) that would federally fund state scrappage
> programs for vehicles over 15
> years old. Owners who turn in an "old" vehicle would
> receive a minimum
> payment and a future credit towards the purchase of
> a new vehicle.
>
> This section 803 scrappage funding is a misguided
> attempt to improve the
> overall fuel economy of the country1s vehicle fleet
> and represents a
> significant threat to our hobby and industry.
>
> This bill:
>
> - would unfairly and unjustifiable deny automotive
> enthusiasts and
> businesses the vintage automobiles necessary to
> their activities.
>
> - would give states that don't currently have a
> scrappage program an extra
> incentive to create one due to the generous federal
> funding.
>
> - requires that federally funded state scrappage
> programs crush every car,
> threatening enthusiasts nationwide with the loss of
> valuable and often
> irreplaceable parts and parts-cars for repair,
> restoration and customization
> projects.
>
> - does not require that the states determine the
> fuel efficiency of the
> vehicle being scrapped or that it is in fact
> replaced by a more fuel
> efficient vehicle.
>
> - ignores the fact that vehicles that are turned in
> for scrappage often do
> not run and are not even capable of being driven or
> are a second or third
> vehicle that has little or no impact upon overall
> fuel economy.
>
> - would diminish the availability of affordable
> transportation and repair
> parts to low-income drivers as more-and-more
> vehicles are crushed.
>
> - does not assure that the individual receiving the
> crusher credit would
> even use it, let alone to buy a new, more
> fuel-efficient vehicle.
>
> - ignores more socially responsible and
> cost-effective options like vehicle
> repair or upgrade to maximize the fuel efficiency of
> existing vehicles.
>
> - is exceedingly costly and wasteful of materials
> and energy by destroying
> existing, potentially operational, low cost vehicles
> with the intent of
> their being replaced with new high cost vehicles
> manufactured from high cost
> energy sources.
>
> The entire added cost of such a scrappage program -
> the cost of crushing,
> the cost of the future credit, the cost of
> administering the program(s) and
> the cost of buying replacement vehicle(s) - is paid
> for by US the tax payers
> and consumers, not by U.S. as in Uncle Sam.
>
> We are requesting that you
> do the following two
> things:
>
> 1. Please write both of your state senators a brief,
> to-the-point letter,
> stating your opposition to Section 803 of Senate
> bill S.1766. The addresses
> for your Senators can usually be found in your local
> telephone directory. Of
> course if you live in South Dakota or New Mexico you
> might want to express
> your strong disappointment to Senators Daschle and
> Bingaman, but be polite.
>
> 2. Tell everyone you know who is interested in "old"
> cars and trucks about
> this bill and request their support by writing
> letters, too. Send this to
> email buddies, customers, friends, club members,
> anyone and everyone who may
> be interested. Ask your local parts store to place
> copies on the front
> counter. It is essential that this get stopped
> before it can be enacted,
> reversal once in place and funded is nearly
> impossible.
>
> This is not a fake email scam like the 5 cent email
> tax hoax.
> This is a real danger from the real villains -
> Congress.
>
> If you follow these things, you know that there has
> never been a vehicle
> scrappage program that has had a measurable result
> in achieving the stated
> objectives. These programs always cost more and
> achieve less (if anything of
> any good at all) than the well intended but
> ill-informed lawmakers who
> enacted them had in mind. Please help to protect our
> hobby, sport,
> industry...what ever you call it, it is all of our
> fun, our enjoyment and
> our way of life that is facing a real threat.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Steve Watson
> Watson1s StreetWorks
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:06:07 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <chrisparnham@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
Yes Marc, you are right about Dusty being a very early body.....A "cave
painting", well actually it was a thick piece of tape stuck under the wiring
loom under the "Fury ashtray" thingy, has the date 29th Jan 81.......the
second day of production!
I have recently been talking to Mike Moore, who was the managing director of
Wooler Hodec" , who did the RHD conversion work, he told me that they
(Woller-Hodec) had a separate Secret contract with the DeLorean factory to
chop up , and part out some new, early cars that had badly formed under
bodies. They just couldn't get the panels to fit properly.
The British press got hold of this story somehow and a version of events
was printed up in the "Daily Mirror"
The only reason that this "diss-assembly was sent to Woolers was because,
cars were regularly going back and forth between the two sites and it was
thought it would be bad for factory moral if it were done in N.I. plant.
Chris P DOC UK
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc A. Levy [mailto:malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 19 December 2001 14:53
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [DML] Re: "Black" DeLoreans
I think many of the early cars were like this..
"DUSTY" has a odd looking texture on the rear pontoons.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob & Vicky Miller [mailto:delo1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:21 PM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [DML] Re: "Black" DeLoreans
hello all in reference to the black deloreans/ i have just acquired
#686. this car has several thing that make it different from the later
ones.
the frame# is 265. the coating on the rear pontons is also a different
type.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:05:10 -0500
From: "Chris Boden" <cboden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Geek Project
[MODERATOR NOTE - while we normally dump "Somebody Sell me a Cheap DMC" ads I thought this was reasonable enough to post. We'll still tend to dump such posts though---ds]
While rather new to the DMC list, I've been a DeLorean fanatic for many years. I am the president and founder of The Geek Group (www.thegeekgroup.org) a non-profit science and technology education Group in Kalamazoo Michigan. For one of our upcoming projects in the new year we would like to renovate and modify a DMC-12. This would not a restoration, this would be the creation of basicly, the DMC-13. We would incorporate some new designs and ideas (like computer integration, performance upgrades, etc) while building of the platform of the original DMC-12.
I cannot imagine destroying a perfect DeLorean, that would just be wrong, especially with so few remaining. What we're looking for is a marginal DeLorean, preferably one we can get donated in exchange for a serious tax writeoff (we are a 501-c-3 corporation), sponsorship of your business, etc. The only requirement is that it be somewhat functional and the body not be destroyed, driveable is a big plus.
If anyone knows of a DeLorean about to be put out to pasture, or gathering dust somewhere that we can save from the scrapheap please let me know. I have 50 engineering kids here that will give it a loving home :)
What are your thoughts on such a project? I understand the complete restoration of a DMC-12 is a massive undertaking, but bringing it back to showroom stock isn't our goal, we want to use the imagination of our students to take the next step in an already futuristic car.
If you have questions please feel free to email me at info(AT)thegeekgroup.org or call me at 616-385-2222 (ask for Chris).
--
Christopher A. Boden
Geek#-1 Rank G-6
President/C.E.O.
The Geek Group
www.thegeekgroup.org
Because the Geek shall inherit the Earth!
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:56:35 EST
From: Senatorpack@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
What about the "Chestnut Fleet?"
Were some of these cars early examples in Saudi Arabia? There were 80 DMC's
sold there?
Anyone know more about the history of theses cars?
Mike
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 02:10:49 -0000
From: "reuterconsulting" <reuterconsulting@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Are there any local Charlotte, NC DMC Shops
Jason,
I too live in Charlotte and have had success with a local shop. They
are called Neighborhood Automotive and are located on the south part
of town. The mechanic there has worked on Deloreans before and has
extensive knowledge on Volvo engines. Contact me off list and I will
be more than willing to introduce you to them as well as help you out
with projects that can be done from home.
Roy Reuter
reuterconsulting(AT)yahoo.com>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:58:42 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Updated pictures of my car!
I finally updated my car pictures....I included a great night shot
Check them out here:
http://24.46.237.117:81/dmc/scrapbook/members/abato/abato.htm
Kevin Abato
VIN#16680
NJ Plate: BCKNTYM
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:09:30 -0800
From: Jack The Stripper <motti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
What happened to #501? I've learned, since I've been on the list, that
#502 was the only factory twin turbo, and that was just sold on ebay.
What happened to #501? Did they use it for testing but then remove the
modifications?
Joe
Marc A. Levy wrote:
> #500 was the first production DeLorean. It is in the Crawford auto
> museum.
> #501 and #502 were sent to Legend Industries.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: comet4055@xxxxxxxx [mailto:comet4055@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:13 AM
> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re:[DML] Re: "Black" DeLoreans
>
>
> Vin # 556 would be a normal production car, beings as the numbering
> began at 501 for production DeLoreans.
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:11:26 -0800
From: Jack The Stripper <motti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: "Black" DeLoreans
Oh, and where is the Crawford Auto museum?
Joe
Marc A. Levy wrote:
> #500 was the first production DeLorean. It is in the Crawford auto
> museum.
> #501 and #502 were sent to Legend Industries.
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:59:35 +0100
From: wilhelm starberg <wilm@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Cold start problems
Hello,
I'm experiencing some trouble starting my D when it is cold - especially when it
drops below zero degrees.
Symptoms:
When I turn the ignition key the engine starts, but stops after a second - same thing
happens the second and sometimes the third turn.
Then, the engine starts and runs at a very low RPM - the car shakes and jumps up and down.
If I use the accelerator pedal the engine chokes.
After 15-20 seconds of shaking, the engine speeds up and reach normal idle speed, but it
needs to warm up 2-3 minutes before i start driving, if not - the engine chokes again.
What might this be? Cold start valve?
Anyone know the Bosch part number for the cold start valve?
Thanks.
--
Wilhelm Starberg
#10816 - Norway.
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:43:38 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: car #501 (WAS: "Black" DeLoreans)
The car I believe to be 501 is still around (the VIN plate is missing).
It is partially disassembled, but the owner may one day restore it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack The Stripper [mailto:motti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:10 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: "Black" DeLoreans
What happened to #501? I've learned, since I've been on the list, that
#502 was the only factory twin turbo, and that was just sold on ebay.
What happened to #501? Did they use it for testing but then remove the
modifications?
Joe
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:45:20 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Car #500 (WAS: "Black" DeLoreans)
Cleveland, Ohio. Ken fed us dinner in the museum at the last DeLorean
Car Show.
There are plenty of photos on the net from the last show.
Don't miss the next one!
http://www.deloreancarshow.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack The Stripper [mailto:motti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:11 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: "Black" DeLoreans
Oh, and where is the Crawford Auto museum?
Joe
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:21:50 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Crawford Museum (was Re: "Black" DeLoreans)
Jack The Stripper wrote:
> Oh, and where is the Crawford Auto museum?
>
> Joe
The Crawford Auto / Aviation Museum, home of the VIN 500 DeLorean as well as a stainless
'66 Lincoln, a stainless '36 Ford, and occasionally a stainless '60 Thunderbird, is in
Cleveland, Ohio. You can get info and directions from their website:
http://www.wrhs.org/sites/auto.htm
Some history of the VIN 500 DeLorean is described in the book Stainless Steel Illusion.
- Mike Substelny
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:58:19 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Old Car Scrappage Alert
maybe just one??
You can read the entire bill at http://thomas.loc.gov/
search for S.1766, the scroll down to section 803.
SEC. 803. ASSISTANCE FOR STATE PROGRAMS TO RETIRE FUEL-INEFFICIENT MOTOR
VEHICLES
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Ryan [mailto:deloreanbiker@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:51 PM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DML] Old Car Scrappage Alert
[Moderator Note] - Edited slightly - Look at this as an "announcement",
not the start of a thread. Replies will probably not be posted due to a
lack of specific DeLorean content. Additional information at
http://www.sema.org/fedleg/fedredhot/scrappage1201.html
<SNIP>
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