[DMCForum] ATTN: Bob Brandys (Re: AMC)

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Good God no: the Eagle Talon is all Mitsubishi engineering.

AMC's people were responsible for the Eagle Premier, the LH 
platform, the Neon project (don't know about the PT morph), and  
Dakota/Durango.

Remember that after 1983 every new passenger car design under the 
AMC badge was straight Renault: Alliance, Encore, and even the God 
awful LeCar. They were built in a new factory in Canada by AMC 
people.

Kenosha continued to build the AMC Eagles, which really are nothing 
more than reskinned Gremlins and Hornets with 4WD drivetrains. In 
the late 1960's AMC developed a single vehicle platform, on two 
different wheelbases (96" and 108"), then proceeded to build 
2,327,230 of the things under various guises (Gremlin/Spirit/SX4 and 
Hornet/Concord/Eagle). The various models look different, but the 
basic engineering is all the same. That's the success formula that 
George Romney used so well in the 1950's and early 1960's. It was 
the only way AMC could survive against the Big 3 (compare to 
Studebaker, Packard, Kaiser, et al). 

With all due respects to Bob Brandys, the Pacer did not fit that 
business model. There really was no way for the Pacer to morph into 
anything else. AMC did make a station wagon out of it, but the Pacer 
platform was unique unto itself and would never translate into a 
vehicle that at least looked different. In his defence AMC did make 
354,228 of the things, which should have covered the development 
costs at least.

The old wive's tale that the Pacer killed AMC is nonsense. The high 
profile AMX/Javelin and Fastback Matador (a totally different car 
from its sedan and station wagon namesakes) killed the company. They 
sucked up precious development dollars and never sold in volume. 

Enough history for you? I can go into greater detail if you wish.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, delorean <delorean@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > What vintage are you speaking of? In the 1960's and 1970's, AMC 
did
> > indeed have a deservedly bad rep for rust. So starting with the 
1980
> > model year they revamped their entire assembly process to combat 
that
> > image.
> 
> Go read my post AGAIN, I said 70's and 80's era cars, and yes 
that  
> included all the UGLY ASS Eagle cars they made too. Fact all I see 
on  
> the road left over from AMC is the Eagle Talons, they must have 
been  
> made right, Carboratorless.
> 
> > Went exclusively to galvanized sheetmetal (giant ventilator
> > hoods evacuated the welding fumes), added a primer bath to the
> > assembly line, made Zeibarting standard (every other company 
offered
> > it as an option) and so on. Cost a fortune, and AMC never 
recovered
> > the investment. Works excellently though. I once accidentally
> > purchased a Spirit that originated in Michigan, of all places. 
Gas
> > tank and the entire brake system were of course gone, but the 
body was
> > nearly perfect. That, my friend, is serious shit, not bullshit.
> >
> > Don't you remember the TV commercial where AMC drove a Concord 
off a
> > dock into the ocean, left it there to stew, then pulled it out 
later
> > with no rust effects whatsoever?
> 
> I am sure all car will do this to an extent, it all depends how 
long  
> the car sat. If you want to buy my Delorean I will try it in an 
Ocean  
> for a while.
> 
> >
> > I defy you to find an AMC Eagle with anything remotely similar 
to the
> > rust effects that even stablemate Jeeps suffered (the Jeep 
assembly
> > process wasn't modified as the passenger cars were).
> 
> Next time I am in a Salvage Yard up here in Wisconsin I will take 
a  
> couple of rolls of film for you, I am sure you will think I  
> photoshopped the rust on them so I wont even develop the film if 
you  
> wish.
> 
> >
> > BTW: Holes where Zeibart was sprayed were not drilled -- they 
are part
> > of the normal stamping process. Every car has them -- even 
DeLoreans
> > (inside the door).
> 
> I seen drilled holes with plastic caps stuck in them and I asked 
when  
> I was a kid and I was told that is where they injected the rust  
> proofing. It really doesn't matter, like I said I see everything 
else  
> on the road except for AMC cars. if I want to see an AMC I have 
to  
> look hard at a car show or visit a Salvage yard!
> 
> >
> > Bill Robertson
> > #5939
> >
> >> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, delorean <delorean@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I remember up here in Wisconsin how AMC's would rust out like no
> >> Tomorrow. the holes they drilled in to add rustproofing 
eventually
> >> held in water and accelerated the rust process because they 
would
> >> rust out around the drill holes.
> >>
> >> Maybe down south where you live they held up but up here with 
the
> >> road salt they rusted just as bad as any other car.
> >>
> >> The funniest part is I see every old car from the 70's and 80's
> >> driving on the road, if I want to see an AMC from that era I 
have to
> >> go to a car show because the rest are all rusted to shit!
> >>
> >> Now that is some Bullshit about AMC not rusting!
> >>
> >> Mark V
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 11, 2008, at 9:21 AM, content22207 wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don't know how much time you spend on the List, but I've been 
waving
> >>> the flag of our fallen marque:
> >>>
> >>> Everyone's all "ooh ooh" over DMC's epoxy coated low carbon 
sheet
> >>> metal frame. How innovative. Best rust protection of its 
time.  
> >>> DMC was
> >>> running circles around every other car company.
> >>>
> >>> Bullshit.
> >>>
> >>> By 1980, AMC was light years ahead of everyone in the rust  
> >>> prevention
> >>> department -- DMC included:
> >>> - 100% galvanized sheet metal (heavier gauge than anyone else, 
thank
> >>> you very much)
> >>> - Assembled vehicle dipped in a primer bath
> >>> - Zeibart sprayed in all body cavities
> >>> - Plastic wheel well liners
> >>> - Best exterior enamel ever used (full of lead -- that's why it
> >>> adheres so well)
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately your Pacers were a tad early for this 
comprehensive
> >>> program.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Robertson
> >>> #5939
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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