Just got back from the eye doctor (how can a 43 year old man have a cataract!) so I'm obviously late to this discussion , but: AMC's first V-8 powered lift gate vehicle was the Hornet, not the Pacer. In North America at least AMC did pioneer the liftgate (versus drop down tailgate), circa 1970. The fullsize Ambassador and Matador station wagons retained drop down tail gates until phased out in 1974 and 1978 respectively. AMC's 1978 Concord is nothing more than a reskinned Hornet. It's 1980 4 wheel drive cousin Eagle retained the same sheet metal (wider fender flares were simply bolt on plastic pieces). The Pacer is important because AMC turned traditional vehicle design on its head, finalizing the interior, including fabric & soft trim, before ever deciding what the exterior should look like. Usually design works from the outisde in. The general public remembers the Pacer as being externally ugly. Everyone who has ever ridden in one remembers them as being internally spacious & comfortable. Apologies for any typos. My eyes are dilated as hell and I can't see shit. Even a cataract is better than this! Bill Robertson #5939 >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Bob Brandys <BobB@...> wrote: > > Greg, > > the 1936 Suburban was based on a commercial panel truck. It did NOT > have a lift gate at the rear like the Pacer. > > The Pacer started the SUV -get it SPORT. With a V-8 life gate > utility vehicle. On, yes, I own one. and it has the horsepower to > weight ration of a 69 Camaro. Get it - SPORT!!! > > As for dedicated electric vehicle manufacturers. > > Look at the electric vehicle manufacturers of the 20s. They made > their own EV. Just like GM did in the 90s. > > HERE'S A FACT. > > There is a 1926 electric vehicle in the Museum of Science and industry > here in Chicago. You can go see it. > > and the sign says, "GM bought the company and closed it." > > Bob > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:DMCForum-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:DMCForum-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DMCForum-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/