[DMCForum] Re: Global Warming Swindle

["jonheese" <jonheese@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "timnagin" <timnagin@...> wrote:
> My intent was not to make it personal; please don't take it that way.

Yeah, sorry about that...  It's just frustrating to be told that you
don't know what you know. :)

> I assumed, maybe improperly, that you were on the side of the other
movie
> because of your recent posts and how you recently stated this movie
we are
> now watching is propaganda.  Did I assume wrong?

Okay, well it's not so simple as that to me.  Both films have their
bits of truth, and their bits of "stretching the truth".  I don't wish
to get into an argument about the two films, or to be forced to defend
Al Gore, but I happen to know that his analysis was more honest than
the other film.

I'm not trying to convince you to believe this, only that I believe it.

> I never said any websites I find that debunk the other movie makes
this one
> more valid. I can find as many sites supporting, or denying, either one.
> That is why I asked previously, which one is correct?  I do not
know, which
> is why I rely on facts and will make up my own mind.  I don't need
someone
> making a movie, from either point of view, making my mind up for me.

Again, it sounds like you're trying to make a decision between the two
based on a public opinion poll...

It's good that you aren't easily swayed, but that doesn't
automatically nullify the viewpoint of either film (as you know).

> The side of humans causing this has been way more publicized than
the other.
> I don't see how anyone can deny that.  It is "in vogue" to be a global
> warming alarmist.  You can't go anywhere, watch anything on TV, read
> anything in the paper, or listen to anything on the radio without people
> screaming "we need to wake up - global warming is real and it's
caused by
> humans!"  SUV's are the poster child of the problem and hybrids of the
> answer.

Heh, I think you're a little behind the times.  Believing in global
warming is *so* 1990's.  :)

I don't get my science news from the mainstream media (I very rarely
watch or read news media anyway), I get it from scientific journals
and from members of the scientific community.  Anyone claiming SUVs
are warming the earth doesn't even have the facts on global warming
straight.

In that regard, I actually liked a lot of what the Swindle film said.
 It is sad how much of a religion this has become.  It's poisoning the
science of it.

> No offense intended - I enjoy the intellectual pursuit as we discussed
> previously.  :-)

No sweat.  I think it's becoming difficult to keep this discussion out
of politics, and also, it is getting more and more abstract as we get
away from the initial topics...

Regards,
Jon Heese

> From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
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> Of jonheese
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:29 AM
> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Global Warming Swindle
> 
>  
> 
> For someone who claims to make decisions on hard facts, you sure do
> seem bent on making this discussion personal.
> 
> I'm not sure why you keep talking about An Inconvenient Truth as
> though it's my movie. I never said anything about it, I never said I
> agreed with its viewpoints, or that it was factually-based or
> infallible. I never quoted it, backed it, or even mentioned that I'd
> seen it.
> 
> Furthermore, no matter how many websites you can find with proof that
> Gore's "facts" were wrong, that doesn't make Durkin's film any less
> bunk. That's the issue here, and I'm not sure why you're diverting
> attention from that.
> 
> And by the way, call me crazy, but unlike the opposing view, I have a
> feeling that the theory of anthropogenic global warming has been
> published in a few peer-reviewed scientific journals. I can cite
> title, issue, and page, if you'd like.
> 
> You'd better believe that both sides of this argument have been
> politicized quite a lot more than this film would have you believe. 
> It has become the new vogue to champion the cause of anti-global
> warming, as it is insanely easy to get a ton of people snowballing
> behind you. It's a huge money-maker for film-makers (duh), public
> speakers, "scientists", and obviously, companies whose primary income
> comes from fossil fuels, like Big Oil.
> 
> Think about it.
> 
> Regards,
> Jon Heese
> 
> --- In DMCForum@yahoogroup <mailto:DMCForum%40yahoogroups.com> s.com,
> "timnagin" <timnagin@> wrote:
> >
> > >I'm only three-quarters of the way through it yet as well, but I've
> > >already counted more glaring inaccuracies and faulty logic than I can
> > >even remember without writing them down...
> > 
> > 
> > We must be about the same place now. I am at the point where the
guy is
> > talking about mosquitoes thriving. I could find glaring
inaccuracies in
> > that other film as well.
> > 
> > 
> > >If you read through the pages I posted links for, you'll see that the
> > >logic used to denounce the viewpoints of the film is not based on the
> > >mindset of the people doing the arguing. It shows that some of the
> > >tactics used by the film were dirty tricks, not facts.
> > 
> > 
> > I am sure this didn't happen in the other film, right? :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >At least a few of the "scientists" interviewed are not experts in
> the field
> > they are
> > >discussing, or have opinions and theories that are presented as
proven
> > >fact, when they have not been published or peer-reviewed.
> > 
> > 
> > I am sure this didn't happen in the other film, right? :-)
> > 
> > 
> > >Yeah, it is more and more difficult for the layperson to get real,
> > >true, unmolested data and analysis on this topic. Both sides have
> > >been politicized and the waters have been muddied to the point where
> > >it's easy not to know which side to trust.
> > 
> > 
> > Yet, some people scream the earth is about to end after watching
> that movie.
> > The side of the world ending has been way more politicized than the
> other.
> > 
> > 
> > >I don't have an answer for you. You just have to do your due
> > >diligence and research what's being published.
> > 
> > 
> > Which is what I have already stated. So, given that, why adhere to one
> > mindset over another? I prefer facts and verifiable proof. One
> thing in
> > this video that really stood out to me was how we now use satellites
> to see
> > what is going on right now. We live in a world of "I want it
> yesterday" and
> > very little patience. Sure, we can see the ice caps melting and
> such but
> > that doesn't mean it hasn't happened for millennia and there is a
> crisis.
> > The earth has been here for billions or years and gone through many
> climate
> > changes on its own and survived.
> > 
> > 
> > >>>Think, research, think some more, then believe.
> > >> 
> > >> Believe what?
> > >
> > >Whatever you determine is right.
> > >
> > >Would "decide" have been a better word?
> > 
> > 
> > I would go with "decide based on actual, real, hard facts, not
> feelings or
> > belief." :-)
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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