Re: [DMCForum] Re: Posting FROM Marc Levy about Moderation

[Jon Heese <dmcforum@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

For some reason, my last post to the list didn't go through.  I might 
think that I had been moderated, but of course that would be ridiculous 
since Ryan specifically mentioned me by name and asked me to respond to 
this question.

Anyway, here is my original response:

Actually, I have been voicing my opinion on the new rules ever since the 
day they were put into effect, starting with these messages from 10/3/05:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/30584
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/30606

Then I voiced my opinion further in these messages over the subsequent 
two months:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/30669
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/30699
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/30705
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/30712

And especially here:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/30729

And here:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/32016

After that point, the moderation hysteria calmed to silence, so I never 
brought it up, hoping it was gone for good.

I think that these messages I posted to the list as well as the private 
emails exchanged between me and both Ryan and Greg pretty well sum up 
why I'm not happy with the new rules.  I still feel the same way about it.

As far as I'm concerned, topics like these are among the most important 
topics this list can discuss, since they shape the very list itself.  To 
squelch this discussion is to thwart the list's natural evolution and 
welcome stagnation and self-destruction.

Regards,
Jon Heese

Ryan Wright wrote:
 > Erik, Jon, Martin & Matt:
 >
 > The group rules have been in place since last October. Why are you 
just now
 > voicing your opposition to them?
 >
 > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/30562
 >
 > "Trolling will not be tolerated"
 >
 > "Once a warning has been posted, it is no longer open for public
 > discussion. This includes any commentary about moderator actions. If
 > you have a complaint, contact the moderators privately."
 >
 > Marc isn't happy with the list rules. Instead of discussing them with 
us in
 > private, he dragged the entire list into it. He was asked to stop, he
 > refused. I don't see the problem here.
 >
 > But, please, now that we're already embroiled in the discussion, tell 
us why
 > you aren't happy with the rules that were established last year and 
why you
 > waited so long to speak up.
 >
 > What about the other 338 members here? Do you feel the same as Marc, 
Erik,
 > Jon, Martin & Matt? Now is the time to voice your opinion.
 >
 > -Ryan
 >
 > On 7/18/06, Matt Spittle <matthew.spittle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 >>   I'll jump on the wagon, too. I don't think we should be moderating
 >> anyone in this forum. We have the DML for that.
 >>
 >> Matt
 >> #1604
 >>
 >>
 >> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <DMCForum%40yahoogroups.com>, Jon Heese
 >> <dmcforum@...> wrote:
 >>> I, for one, don't think we should put an end to this discussion, or any
 >>> discussion for that matter. That's the whole point.
 >>
 >>
 >
 >
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 >
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