[DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?

["Gary Weaver II" <gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well, I'm sure you never would have heard a peep from anyone had 
Robert not decided to open the floodgates with his inital statements.

Its important to understand that we on the "other side" of this 
argument (Myself, Monte, Rook, Scott, and others) have done our best 
to keep the problems with Robert away from the Delorean Community as 
a whole.

This came to you door the second Robert started up with his lies and 
attacks.

I agree with almost all of you. I don't think this mess belongs 
here. However, as long as Robert wants to continue to lie and 
distort the history of both what happened at the show and what has 
happened before we'll be here to defend ourselves.

-Gary

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "RICK BARRANCO" <delorean@...> 
wrote:
>
> I thought this forum was about the Delorean Car, not about BTTF 
and certainly not about such childish behavior between "Adults".?
> I'm sure there is some Geek website somewhere to talk about Back 
to the future but this shouldn't be it........Are we going to start 
talking about Michael J Fox now just because he was in the movie and 
the movie happens to have a delorean in it???? Or Maybe if all of 
you start building "look a like" Michael J. fox dolls and then argue 
about who built it first, that would be a great waste of time????? 
Some people really need to get a life!! 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Robert Moseley 
> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 6/21/2006 4:16:50 AM 
> Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> 
> 
> I did not lie about anything.
> I explained this to you in private emails.
> I told you I needed the parts you offered to me to put in my
> car, but I ended up selling my car BEFORE I installed the overhead
> console...I was't going to throw it in for free after all the money
> I put into it.
> I offered it to the buyer but he didn't want to spend any
> more money so I decided to sell it separetly.
> 
> Besides which, what difference does it make what I do with
> the parts I buy from you?
> They are not given to me as charity you know,
> I paid top dollar for this stuff, and was happy to do so.
> I thought we were helping each other.
> You needed the extra money and I needed the parts.
> What's the problem with that?
> 
> I have never lied to you about anything.
> All I have done is bought stuff from you.
> I think I have given you somehwere in the neighborhood
> of about $1400 or so, I would have to check.
> You never had much of a problem taking that from me.
> I am getting the impression that your opinion of me
> blows with the breeze, and maybe you think that since
> I sold my car that I am out of the game...I don't think I am.
> - VB
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Scott" <bk2d80s@> wrote:
> >
> > Bob the least you could do is get it right and stop putting $$ 
> > estimates on what you think WE make in profit you idiot. 
> > 
> > Let me clarify a few things. 
> > 
> > you said : 
> > 
> > "I want to point out one thing here.
> > Gary and Scott's complaints of me are that I build props and 
then 
> > sell them
> > for a profit. They feel like I have somehow used them as tools 
to do 
> > this."
> > 
> > This was never my complaint. I dont care that you make a profit, 
> > believe me I am very much a capitalist and believe in the system 
> > unlike you. 
> > My complaint stems from your LIES and BEHAVIOR to my peers. 
> > I DO consider Gary and Monte my friends and I will defend them. 
> > 
> > Then you said : 
> > 
> > "Scott has sold around $15,000 worth of Time Circuits over the 
years,
> > ( am guessing based on $900 each) not to mention all the other 
little
> > parts, and most recently selling his completed car for $55,000 
on 
> > ebay.
> > This is not chump change!!!"
> > 
> > 
> > WHO in the heck are you to tell me how much I made in time 
circuit 
> > sales? YOU have NO idea how many I sold, for what price I sold 
> > them , and how much they cost me to make. And for the record my 
car 
> > is the same deal. I PROMISE you I have not made NEARLY what you 
> > think. 
> > 
> > Then you said: 
> > 
> > "I am a definate threat to these guys, they stand to loose a lot 
of 
> > PROFITS
> > by having me in the fold, especially with a website like mine 
that 
> > give away
> > all of the sources, measurements, instructions and more for 
FREE." 
> > 
> > Bob I hate to tell you this but your stuff is crap. You ARE NO 
> > THREAT TO ME. 
> > NEVER WERE. 
> > I just think you're a lying s.o.b.
> > 
> > Which brings me to the next thing you said:
> > 
> > " I mean, look at Scot's complaint about me, that he sold me 
some 
> > props he
> > made (unfinished) for a premium I might ad...then I finished 
them, 
> > and put
> > them
> > for sale. What is wrong with that?
> > I didn't copy his work, I USED his work."
> > 
> > I probably didnt make this clear enough because I was so POed 
when I 
> > wrote it, but I DONT CARE that you are using my housings to 
build 
> > your crap to sell.. The MORAL of that story was to show how you 
LIE. 
> > YOU LIE LIE LIE. 
> > You told me one thing and did another. 
> > LIE-ER.
> > GOT IT? 
> > Bob more power to you if you can sell junk to people for a 
> > rediculous amount of money.. If Britney spears can do it, so can 
> > Videoboob. 
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I didn't GLUE anything to his windsheild.
> > > It was a 4x6 post it note.
> > > A light breeze would have blown it off.
> > > All I did was cover the sticker with it.
> > > Considering how I felt he is lucky I didn't take a hammer to 
the 
> > damned 
> > > thing.
> > > 
> > > As far as Gary's site goes, sure he is going to put what he 
wants, 
> > how he 
> > > wants
> > > on his site in his words.
> > > All you see is HIS account of things, and nothing in my own 
words.
> > > 
> > > Just FOLLOW THE MONEY.
> > > Gary, Scott, Bruce, all of these guys don't like that I am 
willing 
> > to build
> > > a product for less money, and I am willing to share my 
research 
> > with others.
> > > They cover up the model numbers, they horde parts and 
information.
> > > They do it all for ego's sake.
> > > Gary's site was not meant to help others with the hobby, but 
more
> > > to gloat and say "look at me!!! Look what I have and you 
don't!!!"
> > > 
> > > Gary has now coiped my site to the T now, funny how he 
eventually 
> > does
> > > to me all the things he accuses me of.
> > > 
> > > I could go through and write a book listing a defense for 
every 
> > little nit 
> > > picking
> > > thing ever mentioned....but who has time?
> > > 
> > > I will give you one example.... Gary sold me a part, the photo 
of 
> > the part 
> > > was nice and new,
> > > the part I got looked like total crap, and so I said something 
to 
> > him about 
> > > it.
> > > Instead of taking care of it he banned me from his site so I 
could 
> > not 
> > > mention it
> > > to others because he had several complaints like this.
> > > He tried to make it seem like I fabricated the story.
> > > I have the box he mailed it to me in, the photo of the part he 
was 
> > selling 
> > > and the
> > > photo of what I recieved as proof.
> > > But you know what? Who cares?
> > > I am not going to waste all that effort to break his balls 
over it.
> > > 
> > > As far as your statement of: "had dismantled one of his props, 
and 
> > mentioned 
> > > doing
> > > so, and he voided your warranty."
> > > I have no idea what you are talking about there.
> > > The only person who I have bought anything from was Scot D.
> > > He has done an aweful lot of business with me so I don't what
> > > he is complaining about.
> > > I have bought two sets of time circuits from him, and countless
> > > other parts. So I guess his opinions of me changes when ever he
> > > needs money.
> > > 
> > > I want to point out one thing here.
> > > Gary and Scott's complaints of me are that I build props and 
then 
> > sell them
> > > for a profit. They feel like I have somehow used them as tools 
to 
> > do this.
> > > Funny how BOTH of these people have made a substantial amount 
of 
> > money
> > > doing this very thing.
> > > Scott has sold around $15,000 worth of Time Circuits over the 
> > years,
> > > ( am guessing based on $900 each) not to mention all the other 
> > little
> > > parts, and most recently selling his completed car for $55,000 
on 
> > ebay.
> > > This is not chump change!!!
> > > 
> > > Gary, has sold his last car for over $30,000 and countless 
other 
> > props for
> > > a profit, he is constantly offering up his props for high 
dollar 
> > amounts.
> > > 
> > > I am a definate threat to these guys, they stand to loose a 
lot of 
> > PROFITS
> > > by having me in the fold, especially with a website like mine 
that 
> > give away
> > > all of the sources, measurements, instructions and more for 
FREE.
> > > That's right - FREE.
> > > I will sell you prop for a reasonable price or I will show you 
how 
> > to make 
> > > it
> > > for FREE.
> > > I will tell you what you need, where to get it and how to do.
> > > Go find that on Gary's web site.
> > > 
> > > So use your heads.
> > > This is all about MONEY and how Gary feels the pressure - NO 
> > MATTER WHAT
> > > BULLSHIT HE COMES UP WITH AS AN EXCUSE.
> > > Gary's motto is a lot like Ed Bernstien in that if you buy 
from 
> > Videobob 
> > > then he
> > > won't sell to you. Scott and Monte need Gary, so they have 
thier 
> > heads 
> > > planted
> > > firmly up his ass so they can get what they need from him.
> > > 
> > > It's all about the money.
> > > Always has been.
> > > 
> > > I have never stolen anything from these guys EVER.
> > > I have not copied anything, or re-casted anything.
> > > I made my own labels myself, I took my own measurements at 
> > Universal Studios
> > > myself, I used still photos from the movie to make my props 
myself.
> > > 
> > > ....I mean, look at Scot's complaint about me, that he sold me 
> > some props he
> > > made (unfinished) for a premium I might ad...then I finished 
them, 
> > and put 
> > > them
> > > for sale. What is wrong with that?
> > > I didn't copy his work, I USED his work.
> > > 
> > > This whole thing is rediculous anyway, and there is no point 
in 
> > trying to
> > > talk sense to someone who is biased.
> > > 
> > > - VB
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >From: "timnagin" <timnagin@>
> > > >Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> > > >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:02:48 -0400
> > > >
> > > >I read all of the posts on Gary's site about all of this and 
he is
> > > >absolutely correct. VB was banned for awhile and Gary later 
let 
> > him return
> > > >only for him to blow up a few weeks or months later.
> > > >
> > > >In addition, the whois for VB's domain shows it being 
registered 
> > 10/31/04.
> > > >You were also called out by someone from Gary's site, I 
believe, 
> > who also
> > > >posts on the DML. You had dismantled one of his props, and 
> > mentioned doing
> > > >so, and he voided your warranty.
> > > >
> > > >At this point I think the only people you may have a chance 
at 
> > convincing
> > > >are people who don't know anything about this situation. 
Anyone 
> > who is or
> > > >has been on Gary's site, and read these posts, knows the 
truth.
> > > >
> > > >As far as Monte's stickers are concerned I say he has the 
right 
> > to put
> > > >anything on his car he wants. You have the right to put 
anything 
> > on your
> > > >car you want to. No one has the right to put anything on 
anyone 
> > else's car
> > > >without their explicit permission, especially when it's glued 
to 
> > the
> > > >windshield. You vandalized his car.
> > > >
> > > >Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> > On Behalf
> > > >Of Gary Weaver II
> > > >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:46 PM
> > > >To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> > > >
> > > >No worries, my foot is already well in my mouth :)
> > > >
> > > >I WAS incorrect in my timeline. I was looking at a cached 
version 
> > of
> > > >my pages and missed the date differences.
> > > >
> > > >My first administrative action against you was in October (the
> > > >restricted sales access). In November you created your 
website. 
> > You
> > > >were actually still a member. You even went so far to plug 
the 
> > site
> > > >on my board. It didn't bother me one bit, you were still 
denied
> > > >sales access though. I even sold you a part or two and shared 
info
> > > >with you (trying to keep the peace and all that). You were 
only
> > > >banned permanently after you decided to make up some crap and 
rake
> > > >me over the coals on my board - then admitted it was all a 
lie.
> > > >
> > > >THATS why you were banned. I apologize for getting the 
timeline
> > > >skewed.
> > > >
> > > >But hey, if you want to to a little GW2 Clearing house on 
your 
> > site -
> > > > Please do. I've told you to go ahead with it everytime you've
> > > >threatened me you would.
> > > >
> > > >After two years, I'm still waiting... :)
> > > >
> > > >-Gary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" 
<videobob@>
> > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Before you put your foot in your mouth keep in mind that I 
have
> > > >saved every
> > > > > email you and I
> > > > > have ever had in a folder, including the one where you 
explain 
> > to
> > > >me that
> > > > > building my website
> > > > > was the "last straw", etc....
> > > > > I am not going to bore all these people with this, but I 
think
> > > >that when I
> > > > > have time I will
> > > > > post on my website the complete timeline and archive of 
letters
> > > >for review.
> > > > > I don't think anyone but you and I cares about any of 
this, and
> > > >these petty
> > > > > arguments are not the point.
> > > > > The point is how things are handled in a public forum, and 
how
> > > >Monte
> > > > > was inappropriate.
> > > > > You however were just an a bystander in all this, but you
> > > >obviously condoned
> > > > > it
> > > > > and that is why I am disappointed in you.
> > > > > I thought you had more class than that.
> > > > > When one of my "friends" does something wrong, I won't 
just 
> > take
> > > >his side
> > > > > because we are friends, I will help guide him to do the 
right
> > > >thing.
> > > > > - VB
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
>  
> 
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