[DMCForum] Re: Ford and GM

["Josh Porter" <joshp1986@xxxxxxxxx>]

You must be talking about the HHR? 

Having worked at both a Chrysler dealership for two years and a 
chevy dealership for three months. I got to drive both and the PT is 
somewhat of a chicks car but is better quality. The HHR has the 
hollow dash that most if not all GM vehicels have. That could be why 
Chrysler is not included in the "in trouble" category?

Josh


 --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe@xxxx> 
wrote:
>
> GM bought out the designer for the PT Cruiser from Chrysler.
> 
> Makes the designer look like a sellout, and makes him look like a 
> one hit wonder of designs.
> 
> And makes GM reeeealy look cheap by almost directly copying 
another 
> company. Of the two, Chrysler still has the better version.
> 
> Besides having stodgy designs and boring cars, GM's major hurdle 
is 
> gas mileage.
> 
> I guarantee if a car company created a god awful looking car that 
> got 70+mpg or even another electric car, people would wait months 
to 
> buy one.
> 
> I can't wait for Subaru to release the RE1 in 2008. AN all 
electric 
> car with 250 miles of range, solar charging, regular wall 
charging, 
> and with Subaru's installed home charger, a full charge in 2 1/2 
> hours. All on about $3 of electricity.
> 
> If GM wanted to grab the auto industry by the proverbial balls, 
they 
> should swallow their dumb pride, and re-release the electric car 
in 
> mass production.
> 
> The last time they tried to make one they only made 850 cars, sold 
> them only in CA & AZ. And unleaded gas was only $0.98 a gallon.
> 
> No wonder GM called it a "failure". But GM forced it to fail 
because 
> they were forced by C.A.R.B to make these cars to meet the 0% 
> pollution standards for CA at the time.
> 
> A certain president swiftly removed these mandates saying it was 
too 
> costly to meet shortly after taking office. Therefore all auto 
> maufacturers scrapped electric vehicle programs.
> 
> Maybe in the era of $3+ gasoline, auto companies might realize 
there 
> is a market for a vehicle that doesn't rely on oil for power.
> 
> Hopefully they will wake up, but I very much doubt it.
> 
> -Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "timnagin" <timnagin@xxxx> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with a lot of this.  I also think GM laying off those 
> people and
> > closing those plants is a really bad idea.  
> > 
> > When Henry Ford wanted to grow his business he increased the 
> salaries of his
> > employees so they could afford what they built.  GM is 
alienating 
> 30,000
> > plus people and their families who will more than likely never 
buy 
> another
> > car from them.
> > 
> > When I bought my new truck last year I tried really, really hard 
> to buy
> > American but nothing I saw was exciting.  The only vehicle GM 
> makes that
> > even gets my attention is the Corvette.  
> > 
> > What the hell were they thinking when they built the PT Cruiser 
> clone?  Did
> > they borrow the stamping dies for that thing?  Either way, they 
> won't go out
> > of business.  They will be bailed out if necessary.
> > 
> > AMC built the Neon?
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> On Behalf
> > Of therealdmcvegas
> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:26 PM
> > To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Ford and GM
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jack Stiefel" 
<jackstiefel@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > You are forgetting that just because one files for bankruptcy 
> does
> > not mean
> > > they are gone, just a giant restructuring.  Many companied 
> emerge from
> > > bankruptcy and do better than ever.  
> > > 
> > > If GM does it right they can come out of bankruptcy a better, 
> well
> > oiled,
> > > streamlined machine.  Same goes with Ford.
> > <SNIP>
> > 
> > That's true, Jack. But there is an even more important detail 
here
> > that even you forgot about. And that is GM's management. There 
are
> > many companies out there who do file for bankruptcy, restructure
> > themselves, and do come out ahead. The idea here is that the 
> company
> > hit hard times for one reason or another. AMC & Chrysler are 
great
> > examples. They, unlike Ford & GM couldn't get their economy cars 
> out
> > there onto the market quick enough. Ford had the Escort/Topaz, 
and 
> GM
> > had their J-Body line. Chrysler was rather late with the K-cars, 
> and
> > AMC didn't debut their new Neon until they themselves were 
> acquired by
> > Chrysler, and the car's moniker was changed over to it's new 
parent
> > company.
> > 
> > AMC & Chrysler were two companies that were on the verge of 
dying, 
> and
> > then came back (until Renault's CEO was murdered, and the 
> shareholders
> > agreed to turn over AMC to Chrysler for the Jeep line). Both 
> company's
> > shed themselves of their previous, incompetent management, and
> > acquired new leadership. Even Ford has done the same thing. And 
> while
> > Ford is laying off 3,000 employees, it's important to note that 
> these
> > are mostly "white-collar" managers, and not assembly line 
workers. 
> GM
> > on the other hand is shutting down a MASSIVE amount of actual
> > automobile plants with 30,000 workers being laid-off.
> > 
> > GM still retains it's same management, with the same people who 
are
> > complete idiots. Just like the book "On a Clear Day..." 
summarized,
> > these people are NOT going to fight the very system that empowers
> > them. After all, if the system dies, it could very well turn 
> against
> > them, and they could lose their jobs.
> > 
> > In order for GM to survive, it needs to kill off it's entire 
upper
> > management. Not nessisarrily because these are untalented 
people, 
> but
> > because they're mindset holds a certain type of work ethic that 
> would
> > be incompatable with any new successful strategy that the company
> > would need to embrace, in order to survive.
> > 
> > There is hope for GM, but not where you might think... Kirk 
> Kerkorian
> > has since purchased 9% of GM Common Stock, and has installed his 
> own
> > right-hand man onto GM's board of directors. The same guy who 
> nursed
> > Chrysler through their financial woes back in the 1980's. His 
only
> > problem is that because he's an outsider, and his corporate 
> strategies
> > are so radically different, he's getting allot of push-back from 
> GM's
> > current employees.
> > 
> > If Kerkorian can pull a "Roy Disney" and get the other 
stakeholders
> > riled up enough to cause a mutany against the current CEO and 
board
> > members, he could amputate them, and their influence from the 
> company.
> > That would give GM a truely fresh start. Because their car 
products
> > right now are in the toilet. You've got retro muscle cars from 
> Ford &
> > Chrysler, and GM isn't even entering into this foray. In about 6-
8
> > years, baby boomers are gonna start dying off, and lots of this
> > spending on retro vehicles is gonna really slow down.
> > 
> > -Robert
> >
>

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