[DMCForum] Re: All people of faith are dumb, and so am I apparently.

["Flavia" <frvianna@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, I like to watch the big red spot from Jupiter's rings :)
--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Eric Itzel" <ericsdmcmail@xxxx> 
wrote:
> Isn't Jupiter a gas giant? :)
> 
> Eric
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Flavia" <frvianna@xxxx>
> To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 4:55 PM
> Subject: [DMCForum] Re: All people of faith are dumb, and so am I
> apparently.
> 
> 
> > See below:
> >
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Is that what you call it Marc, a "difference of opinion"?
> > >
> > > I've just been called "dumb" by a young girl whose life 
experience
> > > is probably limited to mid-west America and New Jersey who's 
never
> > > even met me just because I have faith.
> >
> > I didn't say dumb, I said not so smart and that is what I
> > experienced, I wasn't saying anyone in specific, I was talking 
about
> > my classmates from my narrow minded catholic school, which I
> > graduated from 10 years ago. And since then very smart religious
> > people didn't cross my path yet. Doesn't mean they don't exist, I
> > just never got to know them. Turns out that everyone who starts
> > preaching to me I say: I am sorry but I'd rather not talk about
> > religion bc I am not a follower. And then I see the _expression_ of
> > shock on their face, followed by: Jesus loves you anyways. Then I
> > excuse myself and leave.
> >
> > >
> > > I don't sign my posts with "Jesus is Lord", I don't proselytize 
and
> > > I support your right to decide not to follow a faith and I sure 
as
> > > hell don't make fun of people who make that decision or make
> > blanket
> > > statements regarding athiests/agnostics or whatever.
> >
> > Good, if you don't say Jesus is lord to me or anyone else who 
doesn't
> > believe that is great. I don't believe in god, so I don't talk 
about
> > it, I don't try to convince religious people (basically I only 
know
> > catholics) that they are wrong. I jsut say to them that I don't
> > believe and I don't want to hear bible stories.
> >
> > >
> > > To me, that wasn't a difference of opinon. It was a slap in the
> > > face. It's exactly the same as being lumped into the same 
catagory
> > > as "rednecks" and "hon's" and caucasian modular-home refuse by 
Mike
> > > Pack simply because I sometimes attend parking-lot cruise-in's.
> > He's
> > > met me twice for 5 minutes. We don't have "civil discourse" 
here.
> > > It's venomous and denigrating. I try to keep my mouth shut but 
I'm
> > > torn between wanting to rise above it, and outrage at being
> > > indirectly insulted and slandered by many posts that pop up 
here.
> > > Sometimes I feel like I have to defend myself even though I 
haven't
> > > been directly named.
> >
> > You shouldn't keep your mouth shut if you are being offended, but 
as
> > you stated, I didn't mention any names or anyone in specific, I 
was
> > talking about a fact, which is my personal experience. No one can 
say
> > I am wrong bc there is no right or wrong that is how catholics 
acted
> > in front of me.
> >
> > >
> > > It's so much safer to make insulting and stereotyping statements
> > > than to call someone by name isn't it? You people might as well
> > just
> > > say "Rich is dumb white-trash because he goes to cruise-ins and
> > uses
> > > religion as a mental crutch because he believes in a God, and he
> > > doesn't have a college degree."
> > >
> > > Personally, I don't feel that 10% mutual interest in something 
as
> > > trivial as a car is enough to overcome the other 90% contempt
> > > someone has for me because of my personal views. Why would I 
want
> > to
> > > associate myself with such people?
> >
> > Believe me I know what stereotype is and we are surrounded by it, 
I
> > don't think that is enough of a reason for you not to share your
> > passion for DeLoreans just because we don't share the same 
religious
> > thoughts. The whole point of this list, which is a place to 
discuss,
> > is to learn from each other, share experiences. If everyone here 
had
> > the same backgrounds and thought the same way, it would be boring 
and
> > we'd have 3 messages to read per month, instead of hundreds. Here,
> > there is no age, ethinicity or faith that stops anyone from 
having a
> > DeLorean, from being crazy about BTTF or from spending time with
> > others that share common passions. I think it's great that you 
think
> > different from me, and I respect that. Plus, I don't think anyone
> > from this list who met me, would acuse me of such things that you
> > said about me.
> > >
> > > As far as institutes of "higher education" enlightening people 
to
> > > the fact that there is no god, I think what Flavia was trying to
> > > convey, is that often religion is used as a mental crutch by -
some-
> > > weak minded people who need someone to tell them what to do with
> > > their lives. I agree, BUT I contend that a college education 
does
> > > not eliminate this character flaw. ANY organization could fill 
that
> > > void in a weak person's life, including belonging to a protest
> > group
> > > at a college. What if I said that Flavia was weak-minded and 
needed
> > > to get her self-fulfillment by belonging to a group of bigoted
> > > people who trash people of faith? I doubt she'd enjoy being 
stereo-
> > > typed by me very much that way.
> > Yes, I got my message across, I think religion dictates your 
beliefs
> > and some people get really screwed being brain washed and giving
> > churches a lot of money for them to spend on I have no idea what. 
But
> > that is how I perceive, and can you imagine if I were still 
catholic
> > and I heard about all those priests that molest little boys? THAT 
is
> > a slap on the face! Plus, my criticism is about the church as an
> > institution. If you believe in god and keep it to yourself in your
> > prayers, I think that is more noble than following that church 
that
> > is ran by ordinary human beings like ourselves, but to me. I think
> > that we are too small in the universe to have this creature, God 
that
> > created us. I work at a planetarium part time and I know how stars
> > are born, how big the sun is (which is not that big compared to 
other
> > stars) and all that stuff, that made me even more sure that 
science
> > is my "religion" because things can be proved. I don't like to 
rely
> > on something that I don't see and I have to have faith on but it 
will
> > never be proven that god exists. this could go on and on, I'll 
stop
> > here!
> >
> > >
> > > I'm almost 34 years old and I have visited at least 10 foreign
> > > nations, I have served in a combat zone, I have stood on the 
polar
> > > ice pack at the North Pole conducting science experiments 
covered
> > by
> > > National Geographic, and I have -life experience-. I'm so sick 
of
> > > large groups of late-teen and early 20-something's who've barely
> > > been out of their hometowns screaming that they know what's best
> > for
> > > me just because they watch CNN and because they are attending an
> > > institute of "higher learning".
> > >
> > > That's why I'm done with the social functions.
> > >
> > > Rich A.
> > > #5335
> >
> > Last, but not least I don't understand why you are letting 
everyone
> > know what you've done in your life. So you are almost 34 yo, I am
> > almost 28 years old. Making you only about 6 years older than I 
am.
> > So you have THAT much more experience than I do? That is what I 
don't
> > get, you are assuming I had never left NJ, to start with, this is 
one
> > of the most diverse states in the country and the highest (or one 
of,
> > correct if I am wrong) population density in the country. But I've
> > lived in 3 different states, been to probably 40 states, lived in 
3
> > different countries and visited (guess how many!!!) 10 countries. 
I
> > have friends all over the world, I was catholic and I worked at
> > Andersen when Enron collapsed. Based on those I think I have a 
pretty
> > good sense of what the world is like. No matter how much I've 
studied
> > or experience still doesn't give me the authority or the right to 
say
> > that religious people are wrong or that they are all stupid, and I
> > never said those, again, I said I've only met "not so smart"
> > catholics and all the non-religious people I met are smart.
> > But honestly, if you can fix cars as Josh mentioned and you've
> > experienced what you said you did, you are not dumb, you know that
> > and whatever people say will never make you doubt about your own
> > intelligence. I guess that another thing I learned in life is to
> > always be confident and I am. Therefore I am not hurt or felt like
> > you slapped my face with your comments.
> > Hope to actually meet you someday and prove that I am normal human
> > being who doesn't believe in god, and that doesn't interfere my
> > ability to be sociable and make friends.
> >
> > wow, that was long :)
> >
> > I just need to say that I really care for the DeLorean community 
and
> > I am extremely glad for getting involved and meeting a number of
> > amazing people who became very good friends and a future husband.
> >
> > Flavia from the 5th rock from the sun!LOL
> > >
> > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> 
wrote:
> > > > With people who have different opinions on various
> > > > topics of discussion?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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