Re: [DMCForum] Re: OK, now I am going to get my ass KICKED!

[Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx>]

Robert for President!


--- therealdmcvegas <dmcvegas@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Religion is NOT mentioned anywhere in the
> constitution. About the
> closest you'll ever see to any mention of religion
> anywhere in an
> dicuments written by the founding fathers is in the
> Declaration of
> Independance. Thomas Jefferson wrote the following:
> 
> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all
> men are created
> equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with
> inherent and
> inalienable rights;..."
> 
> That's it. History books are censored by people like
> McGraw-Hill, and
> others. We all like to have this idea that the
> Founding Fathers were
> Christian people, who set out to create a new
> nation, and that nation
> is more powerful than all others, because we've all
> been endowed with
> grace. The truth is actually that the founding
> fathers were quite
> disillusioned with religion, and had seen in Europe,
> and specificly
> the UK region, how it had been used to enslave the
> people, and
> protituted out to serve the ill-wills of the morally
> corrupt.
> 
> So that is why we have the distinct seperation
> between Church and
> State. Allow those people to practice the religion
> that they are most
> comfortable with, and helps them as individuals make
> it thru life.
> BUT, keep church seperated from government, so that
> those people who
> practice a certain religion can remain free do so as
> they please, and
> not have to be oppressed into something else that
> they don't believe
> in. And to ensure that leaders on various levels of
> government do not
> impose their own corrupt beliefs upon the people and
> enslave them
> (physicly, or economicly), using religion as both
> leverage and
> justification. The first real example of this
> failure has been
> "Manifest Destiny".
> 
> Start by reading some quotes by Thomas Jefferson,
> and especially Ben
> Franklin. The ideals that they hold will shock you,
> because they
> really are so contrary to what people want to
> belive. Here are a
> couple to get you started.
> 
> "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her
> tribunal every fact,
> every opinion. Question with boldness even the
> existence of a God;
> because, if there be one, he must more approve of
> the homage of
> reason, than that of blindfolded fear"
> -Thomas Jefferson
> 
> 
> "For having lived long, I have experienced many
> instances of being
> obliged, by better information or fuller
> consideration, to change
> opinions, even on important subjects, which I once
> thought right but
> found to be otherwise"
> -Benjamin Franklin
> 
> 
> "The Bible is not my book and Christianity is not my
> religion. I could
> never give assent to the long complicated statements
> of Christian dogma."
> 
> "...Let us discard all this quibbling about this man
> and the other
> man--this race and that race and the other race
> being inferior, and
> therefore they must be placed in and inferior
> position...Let us
> discard all these things, and unite as one people
> throughout this
> land, until we shall once more stand up declaring
> that all men are
> created equal."
> -Abraham Lincoln
> 
> 
> For anyone out there who has an iPod, this is a link
> that you should
> most certainly check out. It will allow you to carry
> a copy of the
> U.S. Constitution with you to read, on your iPod
> with you wherever you
> go. I do, and it's one helluva read. It's not boring
> like an
> instructional manual, or even a legal agreement. It
> is something that
> you'll really want to read (and should as an
> American citizen and
> taxpayer).
> 
> But be warned. What you read may indeed be shocking,
> because you may
> find that what many leaders out there who proclaim
> themselves to be
> real Americans, actualy hold values which disagree
> with the true
> ideals that our country really is based on.
> 
> -Robert
>

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