[DMCForum] Re: History of AEC Routemaster London Bus (Darren Cunningham)

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Perhaps a little review is in order:

Message #27678 - Martin complained that "Frigging London buses [are
exempt from emissions testing] - and there're still a large proportion
of those ancient ones plodding around.

Message #27681 - I reply that they keep those old "London Buses"
around because of the open platform in the back. Furthermore, "Central
London is the only place you'll find those old double deck
buses. That's why they're called 'London Buses'".

Message #27687 - Martin claims: double decker buses are not exclusive
to London [a claim I never made in Message #27681] and that the only
unique characteristic of London Buses is that they're painted Red [a
totally false claim -- the Routemasters are unique for their open
platform, designed by London Transport itself].

Message #27689 - I try to set Martin straight Re: Message #27681, and
his bodged Reply #27687. 

Message #27690 - Martin complains that I am now saying something
different than I did in Message #27681. I am not -- reread the
original message. "London Buses" are those quintessential *OLD*, *OPEN
PLATFORM*, *DESIGNED BY LONDON TRANSPORT ITSELF* buses built by AEC.
That's why Brits themselves call Routemasters "London Buses".

Message #27698 - I provide some 3rd party info to backup what I in
fact stated so clearly in Message #27681, to whit: Routemasters remain
in service (they're still in the background of the bombing
coverage...) *BECAUSE OF THE OPEN PLATFORM*. That's why "there're
still a large proportion of those ancient ones plodding around", to
quote Martin.

Not to be particular, but I spent a year at University in Stirling,
Scotland. Several times I have visited my Uncle -- a retired COE
minister living outside Barrow (in Furness). My charming ex-wife and I
used to travel to Great Britain every 18 months on average. Altogether
I have spent more than 12 months in your fine country since 1980, and
have travelled all the way from Dartmoor (Devonshire) to the cliffs
outside Wick, Scotland. 

And Routemasters have been identified to me by your own countrypeople
as "London Buses". Not the much more prevalent Leyland units -- which
lack the open platform and are simply called "double decker buses --
but Routemasters in particular.

Bill Robertson
#5939 

>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Darren Cunningham
<darren.cunningham@xxxx> wrote:
> The Routemaster may be the typical postcard London Bus but Martin is 
> right in that any bus operated by London Transport is a London Bus
(even 
> if it isn't a red double decker...).
> 
>  From the Wikipedia page you referenced: "The AEC Routemaster is a
model 
> of double-decker bus" - it doesn't say that the Routemaster is *the* 
> London Bus. ..
> 
> The website of the London Bus Preservation Trust has a list of buses 
> they/their members own (see 
> http://www.kevinmcgowan.org/vehicles/html/vehicles.html) which includes 
> single deckers, double deckers, red buses, green buses etc.
> 
> Darren
> #12180 - London, England
> 
> content22207 wrote:
> 
> >The AEC Routemaster was designed by London Transport specifically for
> >operational characteristics of the central city -- narrow streets with
> >no bus pullovers:
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routemaster
> >The open rear platform is key to this operation. *THAT'S* why open
> >platform double decker buses are called "London Buses", versus other
> >manufacturers without open platforms such as Leyland, which are simply
> >"double decker buses".
> >
> >This is how arguments with you continue -- you simply refuse to admit
> >the truth. "London Buses" were designed by LONDON TRANSPORT. They are
> >truly "London Buses" in every sense of the word. The only buses in
> >commuter service over there with open platforms are "London Buses".
> >Your very own country people admit as much -- perhaps you could do the
> >same...
> >
> >Urp.
> >
> >Bill Robertson
> >#5939
> >
> >  
> >
> >>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Martin Gutkowski <martin@xxxx> wrote:
> >>This is how arguments with you start Bill - you write something
wrong, 
> >>that then gets pointed out, then you re-write the same post claiming 
> >>it's what you said in the first place, which it wasn't. Go and
re-read 
> >>your original post.
> >>
> >>London buses are double decker buses painted red with "London
> >>    
> >>
> >Transport" 
> >  
> >
> >>written on the side and are generally found around the streets of 
> >>London. It ain't rocket science.
> >>
> >>Martin
> >>
> >>content22207 wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I'm talking about the open platform being "London Buses". Of course
> >>>double deck buses are all over your country (UK -- they're quite
> >>>prevalent in Scotland's larger cities too). But they're all
> >>>conventional entry units without conductors. When I was in
school, the
> >>>AEC units were the only ones called "London Buses" (nice British
> >>>people explained this to me). And the last time I was in London
(2000)
> >>>people were indeed still climbing on & off as the bus merely slowed
> >>>down, much less actually came to a complete stop. Very efficient, if
> >>>not totally safe.
> >>>
> >>>The sky is blue...
> >>>
> >>>Bill Robertson
> >>>#5939
> >>>      
> >>>
> >
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