Re: [DMCForum] De Lorean appearance...

["Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Woah,. calm down bud.
We are cool.
Don't get your panties in a bunch.
Let me clarify: I was using the royal "we".
Sorry, I didn't mean "you" - just generalizing.

"My Standards"?
I don't expect everyone to have a like new car.
Don't confuse what I am saying.
I just expect them to be presentable.
I am talking about the really BAD cars.
The cars where all the paint is gone off the fascia, and they are warped to 
death.
The dash's that look like a desert road and the seat shredded showing bare 
foam.
The window switches that are ashy white and the carpet that is stained or 
faded....
I saw some cars at the PF show that made want to cry.
You know what a crappy car looks like.
Don't lie to yourself.
If you saw a DeLorean like I described for the first time, would you buy it?
These things are so easy and cheap to fix and yet some people just leave 
them
this way for many years.
Maybe the problem is that they are not informed and don't know about the
vendors and parts available to them.
That is what these web communities are for.


Yes, your family should hold priority over a car.
No doubt.
That is my point though really, if you can't afford the toy then take care
of business first - THEN PLAY.
This is a reason I have opted not to have kids.
I consider myself the one of the most responsible people I know, because I 
have not let
myself become trapped with kids and debt.
Most Americans are drowning in debt, having kids they can't afford,
and not living out their dreams.
So maybe it's time to look at your budget and life plan.
(you don't want me to go Dr.Phil on your ass because I am brutal)
Does your kids have a college fund?
How is their life and health insurance?
Do you have a retirement plan that automatically deducts from your pay?
Do you have more or less than $10,000 in debt (not counting mortgage)
Is your house payment more than you can afford or you renting?

If you are having trouble with any of these questions then you might need
to sell the toys.

I have almost no debt, I have no credit cards at all.
Everyday I get them in the mail and shred them.
They are nothing but trouble.
If I can't buy it for cash then I don't need it.
I own two houses and live in one of them.
I own 5 cars and one motorcycle, so I have other primary vehicles.
.... I am not trying to brag (although it is fun) and I am not trying to
sound better than you or anything, but simply saying that I am not calling 
the kettle
black, I have taken care of my shit first, then I got the toys and I when 
things are beyond
my grasp I cut them out.
This is why I have decided to sell the KITT car.
It is just an extra project that needs to be done at a later time and other 
things
in my business take priority so off it goes.
My toys do have a pecking order.

If you have a DeLorean you can't afford  it stems from having a budget 
problem
It means that your priorities are not in line.
It means that you are sacrificing things your family needs in order to
serve your fantasy of having an exotic sports car that maybe you can not 
afford.

This has been my point all along, these are TOYS and nothing more.
Sure, once you get them tweaked they are reliable daily drivers but not as 
tight
as a new production car.
They are not priorities, have nothing to do with work and do nothing
for your family. Ask your wife what she REALLY thinks about the car
and see what she says.
I bet she would rather you sell it and use the money on her!
(most women don't want the world, they just want your half)

So don't get mad at me because you can not afford to fix your car.
I am not in control of how you make or spend your money, and I am not trying
to judge you. I am not saying that you don't take care of your family, I am 
just
saying that if your hobbies are becoming a financial burden then maybe you
need to reorganize.

Work first, play later.
Hey man, I didn't just wake up and find all this shit in the driveway you 
know.

Here is the most valuable information I was ever given.
There is a difference between earning money, and making money.
When you work a wage, you are earning money.
When your money makes money for itself, then you have made profit
without working for it.
See the difference?

Hey man, I am not busting your balls, I am trying to help really.
I would like to see you do well and make your family happy and yourself too.
No hard feelings okay?
If your goal is to fix up your car (we) will try to help you every way we 
can.
That is what the community is for, coming together and finding solutions.
See you in Houston.
- VB


>From: DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683@xxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [DMCForum] De Lorean appearance...
>Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:12:06 -0600
>
>So now your saying i cant afford my Delorean and i work at McDonalds
>because i dont have an extra $5000 to dump in my car.
>
>You really should meet people before you shit talk about them.
>
>I work so my Wife can sit home and work and raise our 1 1/2 year old
>and i rather put that $5000 into a bank account than a damn car.
>
>Quit typing like a prick and actually use your brain before you type
>next time.
>
>Remember you just told most of this newsgroup they work at McDonalds
>and they should drive a Chevette because they have higher priorities in
>life than a Damn Delorean, i dont think anybody's Delorean on this
>forum would meet your standards.
>
>Mark V
>
>
>
>On Feb 20, 2005, at 11:40 PM, Videobob Moseley wrote:
>
> >
> > ..as I said, work in progress is at least a plan.
> > What I am talking about is people who no plans on fixing the car and
> > just
> > let it rot
> > while they drive it and rig what they need.
> > I know people will still drive their cars while they are being worked
> > on and
> > they
> > are not going to be perfect....yeah and I know not everyone is made of
> > money
> > to be fixing up the cars, yadda yadda yadda....
> > This is a rich mans toy, if you can't afford to play then don't.
> > That's all I have to say about it.
> >
> > It is the few bad apples that make it hard for everyone.
> > This is true in every aspect of life, and also true for these cars.
> >
> > Hey, it's your car and you can do what you want with it.
> > Your level of care, pride and dedication will show when people see
> > your car.
> > I am not talking about big money here.
> > Hell, you can refurbish the whole car for about $5000, if that kinda
> > money
> > is
> > kicking your ass then you might want to get that Chevette I mentioned.
> > It will look more acceptable parked outside your job at McDonalds.
> > I would prefer that image that surrounds my car be one of class and
> > prestige.
> > People think the car is worth a whole lot more than it is....but not
> > if it
> > looks like crap.
> >
> > -VB
> >
> >> From: "timnagin" <timnagin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: [DMCForum] De Lorean appearance...
> >> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:39:24 -0500
> >>
> >> I will agree with some of that, but a lot of people's cars are works
> >> in
> >> process.  I will add another perspective, ironically using the
> >> Lamborghini
> >> as well.
> >>
> >> I pulled into the Luxor hotel parking lot in Las Vegas and saw about
> >> ten
> >> Lamborghinis, a Maserati, and a couple of Vipers parked in this
> >> roped-off
> >> section of the parking garage.  At first I thought it was a little
> >> car show
> >> to attract attention so went to check them out.  Since this was near
> >> midnight, the security guard came over and checked us out as well.
> >>
> >> I noticed a Lamborghini Diablo that had near bald tires, faded paint,
> >> and
> >> the front was peppered with rock chips like I have never seen on any
> >> other
> >> car.  I couldn't believe someone would be out in a car like this.
> >> Then, I
> >> spotted a business card stuck on each car and picked one up.
> >>
> >> This was a group of people in a Lamborghini Driving Club out of
> >> California
> >> that take road trips in their cars.  The wear and tear on the car was
> >> from
> >> use.  That changed my opinion on how that car looked and actually
> >> really
> >> impressed me.  How many people spend that kind of money on a car and
> >> really
> >> drive it?  You would expect to see a pristine Lamborghini because
> >> most, I
> >> would think, are in someone's garage and get driven around the block
> >> every
> >> other year.  What a waste.  I would drive mine.
> >>
> >> Jay Leno once said something I thought was pretty cool.  When asked
> >> about
> >> his cars, he stated he likes to fix them up, drive them for a bit,
> >> and then
> >> fix them up again.  After all, they are cars that were designed to be
> >> driven.
> >>
> >> I do really enjoy seeing De Loreans that are pristine as well and I
> >> appreciate those people keeping their cars that way.  Ken's 170 mile
> >> car
> >> was
> >> stunning to me.  I would be too tempted to drive it though.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Videobob Moseley [mailto:videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:37 PM
> >> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: DMCH open house...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert, (vegas),
> >> this is not a direct reply to you but rather a statement to everyone,
> >> so no
> >> offense.......
> >>
> >> I am not about to argue restoration vs. original paint and these
> >> opinions.
> >> I agree, an early 1900's Harley or Indian with original paint
> >> (cracked,
> >> faded) is worth more
> >> than one with a stripped restored paint job....
> >> but I don't think that this same thing applies.....not when there are
> >> a
> >> thousand brand
> >> new painted fascias stacked up at DMCH.
> >> ....a few hundred years from now when there are none to be found, and
> >> you
> >> have the
> >> the only real fascia on the planet and everyone else has replaced
> >> theirs
> >> with a reproduction
> >> then your faded paint will have some value and respect.
> >> Until that time when someone looks at your car and sees the paint
> >> falling
> >> off they will think...
> >> "Gee, the paint is falling right off the car! What a piece of shit".
> >> At least, that's what I think.
> >> There are plenty of 20+ year old cars with all the paint in tact.
> >> There is no reason the car should be looking bad when there are
> >> simple and
> >> CHEAP
> >> solutions for all of these problems.
> >> If the fascias were hard to get, expensive and hard to put on I could
> >> understand
> >> the reasoning for not replacing it, but you can order one from DMCH
> >> or a
> >> refurbished
> >> one from Josh or others, get it in a few days, and put it on in
> >> MINUTES.
> >> I think it only took me about 10 or 15 minutes to put it on.
> >>
> >> Considering what it would cost to replace the front bumper fascia on
> >> my
> >> Taurus or any
> >> other new car, the price for replacing the fascia on the front of a
> >> classic
> >> exotic sports car
> >> is more than reasonable.
> >> Ever priced the front bumper of a Lamborghini?
> >> You can't get one for $700.00 I tell you that.
> >>
> >> Speaking of Lamborghini's, I am going to tell my story of the first
> >> time I
> >> saw one (again)
> >> so that maybe you would understand.
> >> ......as a kid, I worshiped the Lamborghini Countach.
> >> I had posters everywhere.
> >> I told my mom that when I was old enough I was going to get a tattoo
> >> of a
> >> Lamborghini on
> >> my arm, and the Bull Logo on the other.... (thank God she would'nt
> >> let me!)
> >> When I was 16, I saved up the money to buy one of the kit-cars, and
> >> sent
> >> IFG
> >> a $1000 deposit.
> >> Once I realized I would never be able to complete it I had to forfeit
> >> the
> >> money.
> >> ....so anyway, one day I am driving down the road and I see a white
> >> Lamborghini Countach
> >> parked outside a business. Until then I had never seen one in person.
> >> I screeched to a stop and ran over to it, the owner came out to show
> >> it to
> >> me.
> >> It looked like SHIT. I asked, "is this a replica?".
> >> "No" he says, "let me show you the engine". He opens the engine lid
> >> and the
> >> engine
> >> was crusty looking, he fired it up and it sputtered and puffed smoke
> >> and
> >> sounded like
> >> a Volkswagen bus.
> >> The interior was all ripped up, cracked, looked like hell.
> >> I couldn't believe it.
> >> I was so disappointed. It left a bad taste in my mouth that is
> >> nothing less
> >> than bitter.
> >> I never forgot it.
> >>
> >> This is the equivalent to meeting your favorite star and asking for an
> >> autograph
> >> and being told to "fuck off". Imagine how you would feel?
> >>
> >> For most people, when they see our cars it is the first and maybe
> >> only time
> >> they
> >> will ever see a DeLorean.
> >> It is our responsibility as DeLorean owners to make sure they are
> >> presentable and
> >> reflect the "dream". JZD's "dream" was not to have the car known as a
> >> "lemon".
> >> We have so many hurdles to overcome with the public awareness and
> >> misinformation
> >> about cocaine, and that the cars are lemons, and unreliable...etc.
> >> The last thing that I want is someone to see one of our cars looking
> >> badly
> >> and
> >> and the person will forever say,...."yeah, I saw a DeLorean once, it
> >> was a
> >> peice of shit."
> >>
> >> So, I know some of you out there can't afford to to spend money on
> >> the car,
> >> but as long as you understand my point of view and at least make
> >> plans to
> >> repair
> >> and upgrade then you are on the right track.
> >>
> >> Here are the most common things that look bad and can be repaired or
> >> replaced easily.
> >>
> >> * Dash & Binnacle:
> >> Can be purchased from DMCH or recovered by any upholstery shop.
> >> Josh sells recovered dashes, binnacles, knee pads, etc.
> >>
> >> * Headliner:
> >> You can recover these yourself very cheap, any auto headliner place
> >> can do
> >> this.
> >>
> >> * Seat Covers: $599
> >> The new DMCH seat covers are one of the best investments you can make.
> >> I have them and I always get compliments on them even from people who
> >> have
> >> never seen a DeLorean, they can't believe how fluffy, soft and supple
> >> they
> >> are.
> >> They are worth every penny. Most auto seat cover places can install
> >> them
> >> for
> >> under $100.
> >>
> >> * Switches: $40 each, (less than $180 for all of them)
> >> You can replace your window and defroster switches real cheap, and the
> >> dummy
> >> switches can be replaced with working rocker switches that you can
> >> use for
> >> other uses.
> >> I have seen tons of cars with faded grey and even green moldy
> >> switches.
> >> Many previous owners have drilled holes into the dummy switches and
> >> installed
> >> goofy little toggle switches.
> >> Replace them and wire those switches to the new rockers.
> >> These are only about $40 each - not a big price for an exotic sports
> >> car.
> >> While you are replaceing them you can straighten out the metal part
> >> that
> >> they
> >> mount to so they will all be even and straight.
> >>
> >> *Carpet:
> >> You can pull the seats out easy and replace the whole lower carpet for
> >> about
> >> $300 or so.
> >>
> >> * Faded Black:
> >> You can tape off and paint all the little black parts on your car real
> >> easy.
> >> If they are faded gray or white then give them a hit of flat black.
> >> They will have a nice texture and look new again.
> >> (I used the Kent Ureolastic Black Bumper paint that Don Stegar sells.)
> >>
> >> *Fascias:
> >> Replace or repaint them. If they are badly warped, replace them and
> >> reinforce them to
> >> prevent it from happening again.
> >>
> >> * Lenses:
> >> If your taillights are faded and the color is missing, REPLACE them.
> >> If your headlights are yellow and foggy, replace them.
> >>
> >> * Rims:
> >> You can repaint your rims yourself, but it is best to have them powder
> >> coated.
> >> I have Don Stegars chromed rims and I get lots of complements,
> >> however if
> >> you want
> >> to keep everything original, you can buy new rims that look new
> >> cheaper
> >> than
> >> you would think.
> >> Much cheaper than custom rims would cost you for your low rider.
> >>
> >> I could go on and on but I think you get the point.
> >> I have said this before and I always get shit about it, but it's the
> >> way I
> >> feel.
> >> If you want to have a DeLorean it is your responsibility to keep it
> >> up and
> >> make it
> >> look good, if you can't afford to drop a few grand into the car to
> >> fix it
> >> up
> >> then sell it
> >> to someone who WILL appreciate it and fix it up and buy yourself a
> >> Chevette.
> >> Then you can drive a piece of shit and no one will care.
> >>
> >> If you dissagree then get out of the "community", our togetherness is
> >> fueled
> >> by our love for the cars, you don't neglect something you love.
> >>
> >> - Videobob
> >> VIN#5278
> >>
> >> PS: Robert, this was not an attack on you personally, just a general
> >> statement :>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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