Ken K had a 170 mile car, it is now in Europe somewhere.
Mark V
On Feb 20, 2005, at 2:33 PM, Nun Yah wrote:
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> I'm with you Greg, cars were designed to be driven. If they weren't
> they would make them where they did not work because it would be
> cheaper. Society also needs the pristine cars though. Those cars will
> last longer than driven cars most likely and will be infalueble in
> say 50 or 60 years when the driven cars are past the poin of return
> or wrecked.
>
> Ken has a 170 mile car? I didn't know that. Which Ken is it? Sounds
> pretty cool. I for one could not do that, keep a car with only 170
> miles on it. I don't have the self discipline to just look at it.
>
> Josh
>
>
>> I will agree with some of that, but a lot of people's cars are
> works in
>> process. I will add another perspective, ironically using the
> Lamborghini
>> as well.
>>
>> I pulled into the Luxor hotel parking lot in Las Vegas and saw
> about ten
>> Lamborghinis, a Maserati, and a couple of Vipers parked in this
> roped-off
>> section of the parking garage. At first I thought it was a little
> car show
>> to attract attention so went to check them out. Since this was near
>> midnight, the security guard came over and checked us out as well.
>>
>> I noticed a Lamborghini Diablo that had near bald tires, faded
> paint, and
>> the front was peppered with rock chips like I have never seen on
> any other
>> car. I couldn't believe someone would be out in a car like this.
> Then, I
>> spotted a business card stuck on each car and picked one up.
>>
>> This was a group of people in a Lamborghini Driving Club out of
> California
>> that take road trips in their cars. The wear and tear on the car
> was from
>> use. That changed my opinion on how that car looked and actually
> really
>> impressed me. How many people spend that kind of money on a car
> and really
>> drive it? You would expect to see a pristine Lamborghini because
> most, I
>> would think, are in someone's garage and get driven around the
> block every
>> other year. What a waste. I would drive mine.
>>
>> Jay Leno once said something I thought was pretty cool. When asked
> about
>> his cars, he stated he likes to fix them up, drive them for a bit,
> and then
>> fix them up again. After all, they are cars that were designed to
> be
>> driven.
>>
>> I do really enjoy seeing De Loreans that are pristine as well and I
>> appreciate those people keeping their cars that way. Ken's 170
> mile car was
>> stunning to me. I would be too tempted to drive it though.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Videobob Moseley [mailto:videobob@xxxx]
>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:37 PM
>> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: DMCH open house...
>>
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>>
>> Robert, (vegas),
>> this is not a direct reply to you but rather a statement to
> everyone, so no
>> offense.......
>>
>> I am not about to argue restoration vs. original paint and these
> opinions.
>> I agree, an early 1900's Harley or Indian with original paint
> (cracked,
>> faded) is worth more
>> than one with a stripped restored paint job....
>> but I don't think that this same thing applies.....not when there
> are a
>> thousand brand
>> new painted fascias stacked up at DMCH.
>> ....a few hundred years from now when there are none to be found,
> and you
>> have the
>> the only real fascia on the planet and everyone else has replaced
> theirs
>> with a reproduction
>> then your faded paint will have some value and respect.
>> Until that time when someone looks at your car and sees the paint
> falling
>> off they will think...
>> "Gee, the paint is falling right off the car! What a piece of shit".
>> At least, that's what I think.
>> There are plenty of 20+ year old cars with all the paint in tact.
>> There is no reason the car should be looking bad when there are
> simple and
>> CHEAP
>> solutions for all of these problems.
>> If the fascias were hard to get, expensive and hard to put on I
> could
>> understand
>> the reasoning for not replacing it, but you can order one from DMCH
> or a
>> refurbished
>> one from Josh or others, get it in a few days, and put it on in
> MINUTES.
>> I think it only took me about 10 or 15 minutes to put it on.
>>
>> Considering what it would cost to replace the front bumper fascia
> on my
>> Taurus or any
>> other new car, the price for replacing the fascia on the front of a
> classic
>> exotic sports car
>> is more than reasonable.
>> Ever priced the front bumper of a Lamborghini?
>> You can't get one for $700.00 I tell you that.
>>
>> Speaking of Lamborghini's, I am going to tell my story of the first
> time I
>> saw one (again)
>> so that maybe you would understand.
>> ......as a kid, I worshiped the Lamborghini Countach.
>> I had posters everywhere.
>> I told my mom that when I was old enough I was going to get a
> tattoo of a
>> Lamborghini on
>> my arm, and the Bull Logo on the other.... (thank God she would'nt
> let me!)
>> When I was 16, I saved up the money to buy one of the kit-cars, and
> sent IFG
>> a $1000 deposit.
>> Once I realized I would never be able to complete it I had to
> forfeit the
>> money.
>> ....so anyway, one day I am driving down the road and I see a white
>> Lamborghini Countach
>> parked outside a business. Until then I had never seen one in
> person.
>> I screeched to a stop and ran over to it, the owner came out to
> show it to
>> me.
>> It looked like SHIT. I asked, "is this a replica?".
>> "No" he says, "let me show you the engine". He opens the engine lid
> and the
>> engine
>> was crusty looking, he fired it up and it sputtered and puffed
> smoke and
>> sounded like
>> a Volkswagen bus.
>> The interior was all ripped up, cracked, looked like hell.
>> I couldn't believe it.
>> I was so disappointed. It left a bad taste in my mouth that is
> nothing less
>> than bitter.
>> I never forgot it.
>>
>> This is the equivalent to meeting your favorite star and asking for
> an
>> autograph
>> and being told to "fuck off". Imagine how you would feel?
>>
>> For most people, when they see our cars it is the first and maybe
> only time
>> they
>> will ever see a DeLorean.
>> It is our responsibility as DeLorean owners to make sure they are
>> presentable and
>> reflect the "dream". JZD's "dream" was not to have the car known as
> a
>> "lemon".
>> We have so many hurdles to overcome with the public awareness and
>> misinformation
>> about cocaine, and that the cars are lemons, and unreliable...etc.
>> The last thing that I want is someone to see one of our cars
> looking badly
>> and
>> and the person will forever say,...."yeah, I saw a DeLorean once,
> it was a
>> peice of shit."
>>
>> So, I know some of you out there can't afford to to spend money on
> the car,
>> but as long as you understand my point of view and at least make
> plans to
>> repair
>> and upgrade then you are on the right track.
>>
>> Here are the most common things that look bad and can be repaired or
>> replaced easily.
>>
>> * Dash & Binnacle:
>> Can be purchased from DMCH or recovered by any upholstery shop.
>> Josh sells recovered dashes, binnacles, knee pads, etc.
>>
>> * Headliner:
>> You can recover these yourself very cheap, any auto headliner place
> can do
>> this.
>>
>> * Seat Covers: $599
>> The new DMCH seat covers are one of the best investments you can
> make.
>> I have them and I always get compliments on them even from people
> who have
>> never seen a DeLorean, they can't believe how fluffy, soft and
> supple they
>> are.
>> They are worth every penny. Most auto seat cover places can install
> them for
>> under $100.
>>
>> * Switches: $40 each, (less than $180 for all of them)
>> You can replace your window and defroster switches real cheap, and
> the dummy
>> switches can be replaced with working rocker switches that you can
> use for
>> other uses.
>> I have seen tons of cars with faded grey and even green moldy
> switches.
>> Many previous owners have drilled holes into the dummy switches and
>> installed
>> goofy little toggle switches.
>> Replace them and wire those switches to the new rockers.
>> These are only about $40 each - not a big price for an exotic
> sports car.
>> While you are replaceing them you can straighten out the metal part
> that
>> they
>> mount to so they will all be even and straight.
>>
>> *Carpet:
>> You can pull the seats out easy and replace the whole lower carpet
> for about
>> $300 or so.
>>
>> * Faded Black:
>> You can tape off and paint all the little black parts on your car
> real easy.
>> If they are faded gray or white then give them a hit of flat black.
>> They will have a nice texture and look new again.
>> (I used the Kent Ureolastic Black Bumper paint that Don Stegar
> sells.)
>>
>> *Fascias:
>> Replace or repaint them. If they are badly warped, replace them and
>> reinforce them to
>> prevent it from happening again.
>>
>> * Lenses:
>> If your taillights are faded and the color is missing, REPLACE them.
>> If your headlights are yellow and foggy, replace them.
>>
>> * Rims:
>> You can repaint your rims yourself, but it is best to have them
> powder
>> coated.
>> I have Don Stegars chromed rims and I get lots of complements,
> however if
>> you want
>> to keep everything original, you can buy new rims that look new
> cheaper than
>> you would think.
>> Much cheaper than custom rims would cost you for your low rider.
>>
>> I could go on and on but I think you get the point.
>> I have said this before and I always get shit about it, but it's
> the way I
>> feel.
>> If you want to have a DeLorean it is your responsibility to keep it
> up and
>> make it
>> look good, if you can't afford to drop a few grand into the car to
> fix it up
>> then sell it
>> to someone who WILL appreciate it and fix it up and buy yourself a
> Chevette.
>> Then you can drive a piece of shit and no one will care.
>>
>> If you dissagree then get out of the "community", our togetherness
> is fueled
>> by our love for the cars, you don't neglect something you love.
>>
>> - Videobob
>> VIN#5278
>>
>> PS: Robert, this was not an attack on you personally, just a general
>> statement :>
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