RE: [DMCForum] Behavior unbecoming of a "Proper Vendor"?

["Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Have you been taking one of those "computer forensics" classes I keep seeing
on cable late at night?  Now I understand all of the recent requests I've
been getting for archived posts with the headers.
 
Out of curiosity I looked up the IPs.  Those netblocks of:
 
   24.173.4.X (24.173.0.0/16) belongs to Roadrunner (southeast).  
   200.9.59.10 (200.9.48.0/20) belongs to Instituto Costarricense de
Electricidad y Telecom, based in San Jose, Costa Rica
 
Roadrunner is available in MO, but only in Kansas City, not Springfield.  It
is obviously available in Houston, Texas, as James uses it from work.
Doesn't James spend part of his time in Costa Rica?  Odd that a D owner from
Springfield would drive over to Kansas City to use his email, then vacation
in Costa Rica.
 
According to the headers on a "DMC (Texas) E-Newsletter - July 2004" email I
received: 
****
Received: from marketing [24.173.4.228] by usadmc.com with ESMTP
(SMTPD32-8.05) id A3D312FB009C; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:03:47 -0400
****
... that is the address that Houston appears to be using.  Also, according
to a Google search on that address, I get some weblogs that show that
address visited:
 
http://www.yelba.net/ , a pretty singer in Houston.
(http://www.yelba.net/_analog/January04.Week4.html)
http://www.magickalpassions.com (your one-stop discount metaphysical shop)
and/or http://web.destinyent.com
(http://www.destinyent.com/stats/destinyent/site_200404.html)
 
Zoinks!  I bet they would've gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for you
darn meddling kids!  =)

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Levy [mailto:malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:44 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DMCForum] Behavior unbecoming of a "Proper Vendor"?


Looks like the DML moderatord held this one up.. Did
not see it in the last cycle, and did not get a
rejection... YET..



On Nov 19, there was a message posted to the DML
signed by James Espey. 

http://www.projectvixen.com/dmcnews-archive/msg10116.html

It was later pointed out to me by someone that this
message was sent from "sonnyvr2000".  For some reason,
this message has been removed from the Yahoo archives.

Later in the day, a similar message was posted by
James:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/46806

And, 3 more messages by Sonnyvr2000:

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/46798

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/46799

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/46800


All four of the messages sent by Sonnyvr2000 came from
the same IP address, an address that is in common with
posts made by James from DMCH.

No big deal, because Sonny said he was in Houston
getting work done on his car.  It is possible he was
using a computer at DMCH to send those posts before he
returned to his home in Springfield, MO. 

Searching the DML Yahoo archives, it became obvious
that most of the posts made by Sonnyvr2000 have been
removed!  The only record of any posts made by this
person are in quoted responses to his posts.  Why is
this?

The only one I found was post 39097, which came from
an IP address in Houston, TX.  It also happens to be
on the same ISP as DMCH uses (rr.com).  But Sonny
claims he lives in MO.  I remember James once saying
he was from or had family in MO.

So, I took a look at some e-mail archives of the DML
from 6/15/2001 to 9/30/2004, and searched for all sent
by sonnyvr2000@xxxxxxxxx

DATE      SUBJECT                  IP
7/24/03      Re: Stainless Steel Ill      24.173.4.228
8/5/03      windshield antenna      24.173.4.228
8/13/03      Monroes and Gabriels      24.173.4.228
8/20/03      100404 Wheel bearings !      24.173.4.228
9/4/03      Cleaner/Sealer            24.173.4.228
10/16/03Re: Door struts and do      24.173.4.228
12/1/03      Who wears XXXL?            24.173.4.228
1/7/04      Refurbished Fascias      200.9.59.10
1/12/04      Permacast wheels?      24.173.4.228
2/22/04      New angle drive receiv      24.242.224.139
3/7/04      DMCH's performance eng      24.242.228.133
3/8/04      DMCH's performance eng      24.173.4.228
3/11/04      clutch release bearing      24.173.4.228
3/11/04      Exhaust note of DMCH E      24.173.4.228
3/29/04      angle drive update      24.173.4.228

I included the subjects so you can all see the content
of these messages in your own archives, or at
http://www.projectvixen.com because they have been
removed from the Yahoo archives.  Please look at the
content and evaluate for yourself.

The bulk of the mail came from 24.173.4.228, which
also happens to be the same IP address most of James
Espey posts come from.  Do a search of the Yahoo
archives for that address and you will see.

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/messagesearch?query=24.173.4.228

Assuming Sonnyvr2000 is a real person, why is it that
his posts are all missing from the official Yahoo
archives?  And he sure does spend an awful lot of time
at DMCH, Odd for a guy who lives 700 miles away in
Springfield, MO (?), and seems to know a lot about
DeLoreans.  Almost as much as someone who works for a
DeLorean vendor.

But, he asked for shipping estimates to Farmington, MO
63640 which is over 800 miles from Humble, TX.

(look @ the quoted text at the bottom)
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/38079

I would conclude that SonnyV is someone at DMCH.  But,
is SonnyV a real person? 

In the past 2 weeks, a few members of the DML have
been talking about this topic off line.  The purpose
of getting others involved before "going public" was
to verify the information to be correct, and make a
fair decision on how to proceed.  

I feel the group was unbiased, and we wrestled with
the pros and cons on what action to take. We concluded
that someone at DMCH was likely posing as "Sonny", and
decided that it was wrong to condone this behavior by
allowing it to remain hidden/be erased and that no one
in the DeLorean community should allow such to go
unnoticed. Ultimately, we decided to let the community
see and think for themselves as to what, if anything,
should be done.





            
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