RE: [DMCForum] Re: Gasoline Prices and the election

["Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller@xxxxxxxxx>]

Bob,
 
As much as I respect your knowledge on many topics, I need to say that you
are wrong on several points.
 
When I worked for UNOCAL in San Francisco, we spent $500,000,000 on new
technology to reduce refinery emissions and process changes in order to meet
the CA fuel specs.  I also have worked for Chevron,TOSCO, Exxon and Shell.
Leaded fuel was less expensive to make than unleaded because you had to
blend in more expensive additives for the anti-knock qualities.  MTBE was an
oxygenate that was a higher priced additive.  It cost lots of money to
handle MTBE and to manufacture MTBE.  Pumps that moved MTBE had to be fitted
with dual mechanical seal system which required KALREZ o-rings.  A Buna
o-ring would cost $5, and the same o-ring made out of KALREZ would cost
$300.  Amazing, isn't it.  Sulfur specs have been lowered in many parts of
the country and it costs money to remove the sulfur from the fuel.  Having
to produce mogas with different reed vapor pressure cost money too.  You
have to segregate the different spec fuels during storage and pipeline
moves.  Everything costs money.  Atlanta has its own specs as many other
cities in the US.  If there was a standardized national fuel spec for summer
blends and winter blends, the production cost of mogas would drop.
Refineries across the US could supply fuel to any of the markets.
Currently, they can not do it.  PS, I'm so glad that I have tons of Chevron
stock.
 
Scott Mueller 002981

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Brandys [mailto:BobB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:16 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Gasoline Prices and the election


Scott,

This business about different fuel specs is more disinformation by the 
government and oil companies.  It is the same BS we heard back in the 
70s  when they said that unleaded gasoline costs more money to make

The reality is that oil companies have been making regional fuels for 
years.  Some parts of the country are warmer and others are colder. 
Different gasolines with different vapor pressures as used to make cars 
run properly.   Remember the oil companies used to brag that their 
gasoline STarts Better or Runs Smoother.  All DIFFERENT BLENDS.


THe only thing different today is that the Read Vapor Pressure has been 
capped to limit evaporative emissions.   This is because oil companies 
used high vapor pressure fuels in the late 70s and 80s  to produce 
unleaded gasoline with the minimum octane levels that were mandated.

Then the oil companies started to add ethanol to take advantage of the 
tax breaks for ethanol fuel.  THIS REDUCES THE MILES PER GALLON FOR 
EVERY GALLON OF GASOLINE.

THe reason adding ethanol reduces the MPG is because the BTU energy 
value of ethanol is 50% less than that of gasoline    120,000 BTU per 
gallon gasoline.  60,000 BTU per gallon ethanol   10% Ethanol in a 
gallon of gasoline reduce MPG by 5%.  NOBODY EVER TOLD YOU THAT ?

Anyway, the cost difference for blending regional fuels is only 1-2 cent 
per gallon.   (I used to do work for the Clark oil refinery in Blue 
Island and the fuel coop in Whiting, IN,)  We used to all bust out 
laughing when we would here the BS on TV about how fuel blending COST MORE.

THE JOKE WAS IS COST MORE MONEY TO HAUL THE HEAVY BAGS OF MONEY TO THE 
BANK- NOT THE FUEL!!!

NoT Right ,  NOT LEFT  


JUST THE FAcTS

BOB



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