RE: [DMCForum] Re: The Constitution Is an Illusion Part II
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RE: [DMCForum] Re: The Constitution Is an Illusion Part II
- From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:33:40 -0400
Speaking of the numbers game, here's another one along the same lines I
wrote a few years ago. It has a life of its own, as I've actually had it
forwarded back to me several times:
-Dave
Tax Cuts for the Rich?
Thanks to fuzzy math, the Democrats can always say that the rich would be
getting more. Let's use an example:
Someone who makes $25,000 per year, and currently pays $2,500 a year in
taxes pays 10%. Let's cut that in half, and say they pay 5%, or $1250.
Now take someone who makes $1,000,000 per year pays 50%, or $500,000. Give
them only a 0.5% tax cut (49.5%), and they would pay $495,000.
Liberals would complain that the 'rich' person will still 'make' FOUR TIMES
the 'poor' person's cut. And that's with the 'poor' person's cut being 50%
and the 'rich' person's cut being only ONE-HALF of ONE PERCENT!
Look again in this example, and you see that the 'poor' person would pay
only 5%, while the 'rich' person would still pay nearly half his/her salary,
yet the liberals would still have the audacity to claim the cut is unfair,
and skewed towards the wealthy. Unbelievable!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: mike clemens [mailto:rmclemns@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:29 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: The Constitution Is an Illusion Part II
Bob,
I question you math, but then again, I don't have
bunch of capital letters after my name, so maybe you
can clarify. Using your own numbers, you say it takes
$35,000 a year per inmate, or $17.50 an hour, this
being "crux" of your argument. Incarcerated people
are under lockup 24 hours a day for 365 days a year,
which works out to 8760 hours for a year (leap year
not included). If my math is correct, that works out
to $3.99+ an hour, not the $17.50 figure you quoted.
Can you explain??
By the way, "someone" (in the context you used it) is
one word, not two.
Regards.
Mike
--- Bob Brandys <BobB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> Your responses to the concept of a living wage and
> national health care
> are humorous. Unfortunately, none of the responses
> are based in
> economic fact or public health research.
>
> The United states has more than twice as many people
> per capita in jail
> THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. !!
>
> WHY IS THIS? DO United STATES Citizens commit TWICE
> as much crime as
> other countries? That is highly unlikely.
>
> There are numerous published economic studies since
> the 1920's that have
> shown that as you increase the economic status of
> people with real
> living wage jobs CRIME DOES DOWN. You should do
> some reading in this
> area, it is very enlightening. I studied this area
> while getting my
> Masters Degree in Public Health. DO you have one?
>
> Do you have any training in the area of public
> health and social policy.
> Or do you just repeat the political BULL SHIT you
> heard from the
> conservative media.
>
> The average cost of keeping some one in jail in the
> United States is
> $35,000 per year. Well, that works out to about to
> $17.50 per hour.
>
> Well, do you think these people would have committed
> their crimes IF
> THEY WERE MAKING THAT MUCH PER HOUR?
>
> Actually, by jailing over 1,000,000 more people per
> capita than any
> other country in the world, THE UNITED STATES HIDES
> OVER 1% of its
> unemployment problem.
>
> YES, HIDING THESE UNEMPLOYED IN JAILS IS
> POLITICALLY A GAME. That WE
> Taxpayer pay 60 BILLION dollar a year for AND GET
> NOTHING IN RETURN.
>
> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE ON OUR
> ECONOMY IF THESE 1
> MILLION PEOPLE HAD $35,000 A YEAR JOBS. IT WOULD BE
> THE BIGGEST BOOM IN
> OUR ECONOMY IN 30 YEARS!!!
>
> Ryan, know anything about Macroeconomic theory.
> THis issue of hiding
> the unemployed is also discussed in text books on
> this subject.
>
>
> AS FOR NATIONAL HEALTH CARE again being a PUBLIC
> HEALTH EXPERT, I am
> fully informed in this area.
>
> Are you aware that the United States spends 4 times
> as much per capita
> on health AS ALL OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED
> COUNTRIES AND HERE IS THE
> IMPORTANT FACT - WE DO NOT LIVE ANY LONGER AND WE
> ARE NOT ANY
> HEALTHIER. IN FACT, WE HAVE MORE HEART DISEASE,
> CANCER AND DIABETES.
>
> The latest study on the Height of the US children
> compared to European
> children has shown a very alarming trend. US
> children, for the FIRST
> time in over 200 years, are SHORTER than their
> parents. A very scary
> and worrisome public health trend. On the other
> hand, the average
> height of children in Europe is still greater than
> their parents. The
> main difference is the terrible american diet that
> our kids consume.
> What does this mean for the future of our children.?
> Most likely more
> disease and a shorter life span.
>
> Even though the US spends 4 times as much money per
> person, the health
> care system does not cover some 40,000,000
> americans. So overall the
> actual dollars spent per insured american is even
> higher. What this
> means is that the profit made under the current
> health care system is so
> great, that it is very unlikely the US will ever
> have national health
> care.
>
> Here are some facts you should consider. In
> countries that have
> national health care, they have establish treatment
> for each disease
> that are scientifically proven to cure those
> diseases. A review of
> the US health delivery last year, showed that only
> 30% of the time do
> people in the US get the proper treatment for there
> disease. 70% of the
> time the doctor gives the wrong treatment and
> actually make the patient
> sicker requiring more medical expenses. (there was
> wall Street Journal
> article on this) .
>
> Here is another economic fact on the US health care
> system. 25% of US
> health care dollars are spent on paper work.
> processed by insurance
> companies and then more papers to patients for stuff
> that was not
> covered and then more papers for doctors to fill out
> and more papers for
> druggist to fill out etc. etc. YES 25% of health
> care dollars are just
> wasted on pushing papers.
>
> LASTLY, EVER WORKED FOR A PHARMACEUTICAL OR MEDICAL
> DEVICE COMPANY?
> EVER SERVED ON ANY HEALTH CARE COMMITTEES IN
> WASHINGTON . I HAVE.
>
> Why does the US spend so much on drugs.? HERE IS
> HOW IT WORKS. Each
> drug company has a sales person that works a
> specific territory. the
> average salary of the drug sales people is $200,000
> per year. In
> addition, drug companies spend millions of dollars
> on free seminars and
> trips for doctor that add 15% to the cost of all
> drugs.
> Adding the sales people salaries to the free trips
> and benies for doctor
> adds almost 40% to the cost of every pill.
>
> Here is how is works under national health care.
> THere is a
> governmental body known as a national formulary.
> The national formulary
> meets with the drug companies and asks what drugs do
> you have that are
> proven to work for a specific disease. They then
> purchase those drugs
> for those diseases and make the drugs available to
> doctors under the
> standard treatment protocols. NO SALES COST. NO
> FREE TRIPS A savings
> of 40%. There is even a bigger cost saving because
> of the bulk purchase
> agreement.
>
> Now the really scary part of the US health care
> system. !!! Over 60%
> of prescribed drugs in the US are for "off label
> use". (See WSJ
> article). What does this mean?
> It means doctors in the US are free to prescribe
> drugs for uses THAT ARE
> NOT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN TO DO ANY GOOD WHAT SO
> EVER. In many cases
> these "off label" prescription cause adverse
> reactions and kill people.
> IT is estimated that 80,000 people die in the US
> per year from adverse
> reactions and improper drug prescriptions.
>
> So RYAN, I would suggest you do some REAL HARD CORE
> RESEARCH AND EDUCATE
> YOURSELF on the true medical facts that PUBLIC
> HEALTH PROFESSIONALS know
> in this country.
>
> NOT RIGHT WING, NOT LEFT WING, JUST INFORMED AS TO
> THE REAL FACTS.
>
> Bob, PhD, MPH, PE, CSP, CIH,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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