RE: [DMCForum] Serious door alignment issue

["timnagin" <timnagin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Jordan,

I just uploaded a picture of my passenger-side hinge before we removed the
doors so check out folder #0909.  To me, it definitely looks like the hinge
you are having problems with has moved.  Pardon the crappy red paint on my
car, but notice how the edge of the hinge is nearly parallel with the edge
of the door.  On my car, you could loosen these bolts and move the doors
around, but most every point of contact had shims which were badly rusted.
My doors going back on and being realigned will probably be a crap shoot.  I
hope Eric and Brian don't read that ;)

By the way, have you confirmed any fiberglass damage as of yet?  I have some
pictures of the underneath after removing the hinge studs if you need to see
those as well.  Might you have any pictures of the car with the windshield
trim and headliner removed?

Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: jordan rubin [mailto:nuttenschleuder@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:58 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Serious door alignment issue


Walter,

   Ive looked at an adjustment shift as a possibility.
 There seems to be no way from what I can see that an
adjustment bolt had shifted.

    Correct me when Im wrong here but.

   The two bolts holding the door to the hinge have
not shifted any notable amount if at all.

   The bolts that move the door a little front and
back dont come into play here because that alignment
looks ok "per se".

   The only thing I can think of is where the actual
hinge connects to the car.  There is a possibility the
hinge can be bent, but hard to tell, the only other
idea is where the hinge mounts to the car itself.

Its worth mentioning that it was closed with enough
force to crack the windshield.  Perhaps a fiber glass
damage possibility isnt far off.

   I spoke to Ed Uding in Holland about the posibility
of fabrication a retaining bracket from stainless
should that be an issue.  Have you ever seen this on a
damaged car.


Thanx

Jordan




--- Walter Coe <Whalt@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Jordan, I finally got a chance to look at the
> photos.  It
> looks like either the hinge is raised up or bent or
> the
> adjustment slipped.
>
> The most likely would be a slipped adjustment, but
> the
> problem looks far worse than what an adjustment can
> do.
> Some background: A previous owner of my daily driver
> had
> removed the lower/inner bolt that holds the front
> hinge to
> the drivers door.  Then they replaced it with a
> smaller bolt
> and somehow managed to put a nut inside the door to
> hold it.
> It was always loose and sloppy until I took the door
> off and
> put a new threaded plate in the door.  The original
> plate
> had the threads stripped out.  Evidently they tried
> to
> adjust the hinge without releasing the torsion bar.
> I don't
> see how anything can be done with that hinge while
> the
> torsion bar is in there.
>
> The next thing I would suspect is that the hinge is
> bent,
> but I cannot tell from the photos.  You may have to
> take the
> door off, hold a straight edge to the hinge and
> compare with
> another.
>
> Even tho the hinge looks high, I dont see how this
> can raise
> up without major fiberglass damage.  If this was it
> then it
> would be obvious.
>
> Walt

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