[DMCForum] Re: Kerry...

["Mike" <mcquinlan@xxxxxxxxxx>]

First off, I'm not a liberal and never voted for one.  Just because 
I think Bush is a dolt doesn't make me a liberal.  It makes me an 
educated Independent with republican leanings.   I'm not a sheep 
that just follows my party line like you obviously do.

> >>Bush was planning to invade Iraq from day 1. Read Paul Oneill's 
> book.  Long before 9/11 Bush and crew were planning how they were 
> going to spin the story. 
> 
> Oh, I see, Paul Oneill says that Bush planned the war before 
9/11.  
> Well it must be true because we don't have a higher standard of 
truth 
> than what Paul says.  Nothing, say, in the way of evidence or 
facts?
> 

Well there were many other sources and it was quite well covered.  I 
only mention Oneill because he is regarded as a very honorable man 
and he was IN the Bush administration.  The administration didn't 
deny it either.  

If you question Oneill's integrity, you truly don't know anything of 
which you speak.  Do a little research.

> >>It was to settle a score, get some oil and scare the surronding 
> Middle Eastern countries.  It was a plan cooked up by Karl Rove 10 
> years earlier.  
> 
> A score to settle???  What score?  For that crushing defeat that 
Bush 
> 41 suffered at the evil hand of Saddam Hussein??  

Assassination attempt.  Man you don't read anything do you.  Bush 
even said as much recently in fund raising speech. He said it 
jokingly but there is probably some real truth there.

> 
> Get some oil???  What oil?  Where is it??  This is the most 
> laughable.  Should we search Kennebunkport for it??
> 
> A plan cooked up by Karl Rove??  I know, because Paul Oneill said 
so 
> right?

No, Time magazine.

> 
> >>  All it has done is turn the world against us and make us less 
> secure than ever.
> 
> I suppose if the "World" only consists of the Bathe Party, The 
> Taliban, Al Qaeda, France & Germany.  What about the 40 nations 
that 
> stand in support of the war?  I guess they aren't part of 
> your "world".  And by exactly what measure do you claim that we 
are 
> less secure than ever??  I am very interested in this.

And of those 40 nations how many have troops in Iraq.  Most nations 
have deployed non-combat troops in largely symbolic fashion.  Our 
largest supports (aside from Great Britain) each have less than 200 
troops in Iraq.  I wouldn't exactly call that support.

> 
> >> Funny how we let the guy behind 9/11 get away > 
> 
> Funny choice of words..."let <him> get away"  Is this another one 
of 
> Paul Oneill's conspiracy theories?  So your saying that Bush had 
Bin 
> Laden and decided to allow him to escape?  Sounds a lot like what 
> Clinton did.  Maybe your just a little confused.

No, I'm saying he was more concerned with Saddam and didn't do 
enough to get Bin Laden.  It may not have been intentional but 
pulling all the troops out of Afghanistan certainly made life easier 
for Bin Laden.

> 
> > It is obvious that you are just a Bush fan boy and that no 
amount 
> of > discourse will be at all productive here so I'm going to bed.
> 
> It's obvious that you are just an hysterical liberal who engages 
in 
> debate with nothing but emotion, speculation, propaganda, innuendo 
> and lies.  And I can see that no amount of facts will compel you 
to 
> think for yourself.  Just like Marc, you post assertions and 
> accusations without the benefit of evidence or fact.  Sorry 
but 'Paul 
> Oneill wrote it in his book' doesn't constitute fact!

I hate Bush therefore I'm a liberal.  You're a moron.  I also don't 
see ANY source for your facts.  I'm also not basing my whole 
argument on Paul Oneill's book.  I wasn't aware I needed to provide 
footnotes to have an opinion.  You certainly don't.
> 
> And for the record, I have been very critical of Bush but I'll 
still 
> vote for the guy.

That just makes you even more of a Moron.

Unless you have some Delorean related opinions, don't bother 
responding to me.  You make no valid arguments and just make 
yourself look bad.

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