Re: [DMCForum] head liner
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Re: [DMCForum] head liner



OK I finally have a few min...

1. Pull them out of the car and scrap as much of the old material and glue
off as possible without messing up the cardboard.

2. Wipe down with Acetone.

3. Coat with fiberglass resign and allow to cure

(OPTIONAL) 4. If they are very floppy add 1 thin layer of fiberglass cloth
and resign

5. Glue new headliner material on using 3M super 77 spray adhesive.   3M
Id
: 62-4437-4930-4 GTIN(UPC/EAN) : 0 00 21200 96315 5

If you are in Cali good luck finding this stuff or anything good, it is a
low VOC but not low enough for Cali airboard... The trim adhesive that
walt
mentions is also good, but 77 is better.  I have built several prototype
boats now using this stuff and it holds up great.  I also used it on the
headliner in my D, and Z and have never had a problem, even after the
t-tops
leaked and soaked the headliner in the Z.



Andrei



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt@xxxxxxx>
To: "DMCForum" <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] head liner


> I used spray glue and it fell back
> down.  I then tried double faced tape and it still fell down.  What
> else is out there to keep the liner on that cardboard type
> material?

You used double faced tape?  Man you were desperate.  Stay away from the
power stapler!  Actually.... well, I have stapled a few sagging headliners
before.

Just like Rich & Dave are saying, there are two varieties of 3M spray
adhesive.  The good one is 3M Super Trim Adhesive Part # 051135-08090.
The
crap one comes almost identically packaged except it is called "3M General
Trim Adhesive".  They are easy to confuse.

Through the ages I have had very poor luck with using cheap spray
adhesives.
Leave the car out in the hot sun for a few hours and everything comes
loose.
The better contact spray adhesives aren't available in spray cans.  You
have
to use your own gun & compressor.

The main difference between the cheap adhesives and the good adhesives are
that the cheap ones tend to stay oily & sticky.  The good adhesives
totally
dry out leaving a tough rubber consistency (and clean out a few brain
cells
and part of the ozone layer.)

> Should I use a sealant on the cardboard type stuff and
> then try spray glue again?

I hope you didn't already muck it up with sticky-gooey adhesive.  If you
did
I suggest trying to clean it off using rags soaked in a solvent.  Use
something like lacquer thinner that will dry out without leaving an oily
residue.  I use a wire brush for cleaning off the rotten foam but then it
tends to leave a sticky residue anyway.  Good contact adhesives will have
solvents that can help cut through this and stick.

> Is this a problem with anyone elses car?

Yep, it's pretty much a problem with any car that uses this type of fabric
for the headliner.  I get the feeling that the manufacturer builds in a
self-destruct date on foam backing.  I totally re-did a headliner in an
old
station wagon only to have it fall down again in two years.  It must have
been old stock fabric.  But it looked fine when I installed it.

Walt



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