[DMCForum] Re: The third circle of hell, or should I say "liner"
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[DMCForum] Re: The third circle of hell, or should I say "liner"



Ahhhhhhhh.......remember when I panicked about this? 

Man I love this! I'm not the only one! (Sorry man)

How did you shift them? Trying to get the crank pulley nut off or
what? How much did they shift?

Ok first, according to Martin and the DMCH dream team, this is bad.
You can never tell if they kept their seal or not. These things are
micro thin, and supposedly, they ruin for sure every time if you lift
the liners. The amount of pressure put on them by bolting the head
down is NOT necessarily enough. You'd think so though. Anyway:

I'm about to make a confession here that will shock some folks.

Not only did I "suspect" my liners of lifting, I lifted TWO of them an
inch or so each. I almost cried. 

Like Walt said, "Put the damn thing back together and see what happens".

I'm happy to report that after running the car, there is no coolant in
my oil and everything seems sealed.

All you can do, is what I did. Either rip it out, and tear it down, or
put it back together and "see what happens".

I took a huge chance that after 20 years the seals would stick to the
liners or stick to the block and that they would come back together
ok. I was right. That DOESN'T mean that everyone will get away with it
but it's worth a try.

By the way Travis, I wrote a huge, comprehensive tech article covering
all of this. The timing chain cover, the liners, every mistake I made!

Why aren't you using it?? It's free for cryin' out loud! Hell, it even
has Dave Stragand's seal of approval on it!

Hang in there.

Rich
#5335


--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxx> wrote:
> That's right. Two of my piston liners moved.
> 
> Everyone is saying how awful and terrible it is and that my life
will never
> be the same, but for the life of me I can't figure out how so.
> 
> The Volvo manual states and I quote:
> 
> "Caution! Make sure the cylinder heads do not separate from the
seals at the
> lower seat. If this happens, coolant can flow into the crankcase
> necessitating a complete engine tear-down and cleaning."
> 
> When you remove the head, under normal circumstances there would be
coolant
> in the block, which could run into the crank case if they moved. In
my case,
> the block is bone dry, so there was nothing to fall in. I suppose it's a
> possibility that coolant could leak beneath it when the head is on,
but it
> seems very remote. The amount of pressure that will be placed on
them from
> the top that should be more than enough to seal them back.
> 
> And the seals are attached to the bottom of the liner and cannot move or
> shift, so there's no off-kilter seals to worry about.
> 
> Let's say for arguments sake that I have to strip it down, take out the
> pistons and check the liners. Well, you have the same problem as
before. YOU
> MOVED THE LINERS... and this time you took them all the way out.
Who's to
> say when you put them back you got them down correctly?
> 
> See my point, or am I blowing smoke?



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