[DMCForum] Re: tone L.O.C.
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[DMCForum] Re: tone L.O.C.
- From: "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 06:08:52 -0500
Jim,
Thanks for helping square me away on the oil pump issue. I was
starting to get concerned.
I did find the real numbers in the Volvo manual the I borrowed from
Mike Cohee.
114-156 psi while HOT, and a cranking rpm of 250-300, throttle wide
open.
I believe that your compression gets better as things heat up and
seal up. If that's true then I should have adequate compression.
Consider this;
I think I'm making half the cranking rpm's specified and the engine
is cold, so if I were able to speed up the engine and had it warm I
would probably meet or exceed 114 psi.
Someone also suggested a "leak down test". Wouldn't the fact that I
left the gauge hooked up to the cylinder and saw no drop in pressure
satisfy this? I stood around for about 10 minutes wondering what to
do next, and there was no drop in pressure.
--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxx>
wrote:
> 100 psi is fine, if I were you I would have hoped for closer PSIs
per
> cylinder, but you take what you can get. If one was done at 60psi
(or
> zero), then you have something to worry about.
>
> I would not expect your oil pressure to be very high while
cranking. I
> recently got the change to check this out- the oil pressure on an
engine
> we were testing didn't even push 5psi while turning over, but
pushed over
> 80psi when we got it running. The pump doesn't need priming,
consider
> that it's "out of oil" every time you turn off the car.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 00:52:57 -0000 "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx>
> writes:
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Dave Stragand"
<dave.stragand@xxxx>
> >
> > wrote:
> > >The speed of the engine, whether you cranked it with all of the
> > >spark plugs out, and whether you had the throttle wide open will
> > all
> > play a part in the reading.
> > >
> > > At 100 psi on closed throttle, all other plugs in, you're just
> > fine.
> > >
> > > -Dave
> >
> > Ok, well as I've said, my engine isn't turning too fast and that
> > reduces the amount of volume so like the exhaust pressure, this
may
> > have been somewhat reduced from the best it could be.
> >
> > I had all other plugs in, and closed throttle. The fuel was also
> > diabled so there was no fuel in the cylinder to take up space.
> > Afterwards, I realized that lack of fuel in the cylinder might
also
> > slightly reduce pressure.
> >
> > -However-, Dave you said in your "DeSoto story" that you sent me,
> > that it took that engine 165 psi before it would run on it's own.
I
> > realize we're looking at a world of difference in engines here,
but
> > I
> > didn't think 90-120 psi would be anywhere near enough.
> >
> > I also want to say that after putting some Marvel Mystery Oil in
the
> >
> > cylinders, and pulling the plugs, I spun the engine to work it
in.
> > The engine cranked at -considerable- speed and yet I still have
no
> > oil pressure. Could this be related?
> >
> > The oil pump worked perfectly when I tore the engine down, and I
> > didn't ever touch it. I never removed it, or it's chain or
anything.
> >
> > It may have been totally drained since the oil was totally
thinned
> > out by fuel. Would it have to be primed with oil?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cruznmd [mailto:racuti1@xxxx]
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:08 PM
> > > To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [DMCForum] tone L.O.C.
> > >
> > >
> > > Some bright soul out there asked if I'd put a compression gauge
on
> >
> > > the car instead of just my thumb.
> > >
> > > So today, I purchased a gauge from Advance Auto and measured 3
> > > cylinders before the rain drove me inside.
> > >
> > > The manual states that this engine runs at an 8.8:1 comression
> > ratio
> > > but I don't know how many PSI or kPa that is.
> > >
> > > I measured cylinder 3 at 100 psi, cylinder 6 at 120 psi and
> > cylinder
> > > 2 at 90 psi.
> > >
> > > Now I -already- know that that is insufficient to support self-
> > > sustaining combustion.
> > >
> > > So now I know why the car won't start. Now I need to know:
> > >
> > > a) What is compression -supposed- to be (in psi or kPa)?
> > > b) What are the possible causes of loss of compression?
> > > c) What could I do to get it back?
> > >
> > > I know some of b) but I want to hear as many answers as I can
in
> > case
> > > I'm skipping something.
> > >
> > > As usual, thanks.
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> > >
> > >
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