Re: [DMCForum] Re: Reply: Jim Strickland

[Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxxxxxx>]

i would call horsepower the true measure of an engine's power.  hence the
name horsepower.  

I don't know which vehicles you are referring to whose "power band was
left behind several thousand RPM's" before the redline.  

The peakiest high rev production engine (honda f20c) has peak power at
8300rpm, redline at 9100rpm.   = 800rpm.
the honda b18c peaks is at 8000, redline at 8400rpm = 400rpm.

Are you saying 400rpm above peak power isn't in the power band?

maybe you should give specific examples about engines you are talking
about.

Jim


On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 05:29:45 -0000 "content22207"
<brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

> You're so strung out on HP that I wonder where you think torque -- 
> the
> true measure of engine power -- fits in. It's like all this 
> red-lining
> nonsense: what good is pushing an engine to its breaking point if 
> the
> power band was left behind several thousand RPM's ago. Yes, HP will
> get that old crankshaft spinning. But if doesn't have any power in 
> it,
> all you've succeeded in making is noise.
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Jim Strickland 
> <ihaveanaccount@xxxx>
> wrote:
> > > Jim Strickland (who enlisted Martin to back him up) claims that
> > > advancing ignition time ALWAYS leads to increased HP, and that 
> the
> > > ideal point of spark is at the threshhold of detonation. I 
> couldn't
> > > disagree more.
> > 
> > yes, i am paying him to agree with me.  If you agree with me too i 
> will
> > pay you.  Just agree that lowering compression increases 
> horsepower and
> > your trip to the darkside will be complete.  I never said that 
> advancing
> > will always lead to HP increase, though i will say that advancing 
> (until
> > knocking!) will in most if not all cases lead to higher PEAK
> horsepower. 
> > 
> > 
> > > The reason I mentioned Martin by name was because he recently
> > > referenced a URL (on the List) that supports MY assertion: 
> advancing
> > > ignition time does not necessarily lead to increased HP. I was 
> > > amazed,
> > > after the thorough drumming I received over that very issue, 
> that he
> > > then referenced an online article that claims I was correct in 
> the
> > > first place!
> > 
> > Ah, so you don't agree with my interpretation of martin's website? 
> 
> > Interesting that you won't comment on it, but continue to claim 
> that you
> > are correct.  message 9744.  It basically says that you 
> misinterpreted
> > what was on the site and are still wrong. ;(
> > 
> > > Just so everyone's clear: I have Lincoln Mark V's from 1977 and 
> 1978
> > > with 460 inch engines. The engines and distributor bodies are
> > > identical -- look them up in the big NAPA engine master book. 
> The 
> > > only difference between these two years is specified base 
> ignition
> > time: 
> > > 13 degrees BTDC in 1977 and 16 degrees BTDC in 1978. In this one 
> 
> > > instance at least, advancing the spark LOWERED published HP 
> (from 212
> > to 210 
> > > if I'm remembering correctly).
> > > Advancing ignition time does not ALWAYS lead to more HP.
> > 
> > Is this at idle or at peak hp?
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
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