[DMCForum] Re: Reply: Jim Strickland

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Re: Message #9744 -- if Ford's advancing base ignition time of an
engine that otherwise hasn't changed one single bit doesn't qualify as
"advance for the sake of advance" (your words), I don't know what else
does.

Re: Last sentence in this post -- of course 200+ HP is not measured at
idle. Ford Motor Company is good, but not that good.

You're so strung out on HP that I wonder where you think torque -- the
true measure of engine power -- fits in. It's like all this red-lining
nonsense: what good is pushing an engine to its breaking point if the
power band was left behind several thousand RPM's ago. Yes, HP will
get that old crankshaft spinning. But if doesn't have any power in it,
all you've succeeded in making is noise.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount@xxxx>
wrote:
> > Jim Strickland (who enlisted Martin to back him up) claims that
> > advancing ignition time ALWAYS leads to increased HP, and that the
> > ideal point of spark is at the threshhold of detonation. I couldn't
> > disagree more.
> 
> yes, i am paying him to agree with me.  If you agree with me too i will
> pay you.  Just agree that lowering compression increases horsepower and
> your trip to the darkside will be complete.  I never said that advancing
> will always lead to HP increase, though i will say that advancing (until
> knocking!) will in most if not all cases lead to higher PEAK
horsepower. 
> 
> 
> > The reason I mentioned Martin by name was because he recently
> > referenced a URL (on the List) that supports MY assertion: advancing
> > ignition time does not necessarily lead to increased HP. I was 
> > amazed,
> > after the thorough drumming I received over that very issue, that he
> > then referenced an online article that claims I was correct in the
> > first place!
> 
> Ah, so you don't agree with my interpretation of martin's website? 
> Interesting that you won't comment on it, but continue to claim that you
> are correct.  message 9744.  It basically says that you misinterpreted
> what was on the site and are still wrong. ;(
> 
> > Just so everyone's clear: I have Lincoln Mark V's from 1977 and 1978
> > with 460 inch engines. The engines and distributor bodies are
> > identical -- look them up in the big NAPA engine master book. The 
> > only difference between these two years is specified base ignition
> time: 
> > 13 degrees BTDC in 1977 and 16 degrees BTDC in 1978. In this one 
> > instance at least, advancing the spark LOWERED published HP (from 212
> to 210 
> > if I'm remembering correctly).
> > Advancing ignition time does not ALWAYS lead to more HP.
> 
> Is this at idle or at peak hp?
> 
> Jim
> 
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