[DMCForum] Re: SUV Origins

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Subaru started waving the "Sport utility wagon" flag, and crowing it 
was the first. Obviously the Outback isn't an SUV -- it's an 
automobile platform beefed up slightly for occasional light duty off 
road usage. It can not seriously boulder bash any more than its 
highway counterparts.

SUV's usually are body on frame construction. The Outback is unit 
body.

I just object to Subaru's audacity to claim its AWD/4WD mini-wagon 
was the first. Bullshit -- AMC's Eagles were already in production 5 
years by that time. If you watch BTTF I, Jennifer's dad picks her up 
in an AMC Eagle wagon (the scene where she writes "I Love You" on 
the clock tower handbill).

The AMC Eagle and the Outback are very similar cars (with AMC being 
first, of course). They are in no way comparable to a typical SUV.

This whole controversy misses the point anyway. Full size luxury 
liners are the heat. They feel like riding around on your living 
room sofa. Sooo nice. Excuse me while I go outside and drool all 
over my Lincolns (which outsold the Eldorado every year 1971-1978, 
thank you very much).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Jack Stiefel <jack@...> wrote:
>
> From Wikipedia again:
> 
> 
> The first Sport utility vehicles were descendants from commercial 
and military 
vehicles<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_vehicles> such as the 
Jeep<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep> and Land 
Rover<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover>.[1]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suv#_note-0> SUVs have been popular 
for many years with rural buyers due to their off-road capabilities.
> 
> The earliest examples of wagon-type SUVs were the Willys Jeep 
Wagon<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_Jeep_Wagon> (1948), Land 
Rover Series<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Series> II 109 
(1958), and the International Harvester 
Scout<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Harvester_Scout> 
80/800 (1961). These were followed by the more 'modern' Jeep 
Wagoneer<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Wagoneer> (1963), Ford 
Bronco<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Bronco> (1966), Toyota Land 
Cruiser<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Cruiser> FJ-55 (1968), the 
Chevrolet Blazer<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_K5_Blazer> / 
GMC Jimmy (1969), and the Land Rover Range 
Rover<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_Rover_Classic> (1970).
> 
> In the last 25 years, and even more in the last decade, the 
popularity of SUVs has increased among urban drivers. Consequently, 
more modern SUVs often come with 
luxury<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_SUV> features and some 
crossover SUVs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_SUV> have 
adopted lower ride heights and utilize unibody construction to 
better accommodate on-road driving.
> 
> 
> Jack Stiefel - Tampa, Florida
> Stiefel Aluminum Inc
> 
> DMC Vin 03461 & 16879
> ________________________________
> From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of Bob Brandys
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:06 AM
> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: SUV Origins
> 
> 
> The pacer was the first SUV. Just cutting pieces of other cars, as
> examples, is not the "SUV package."
> 
> Look at the PACER body lines compared to ALL SUVs, they are
> essentially parallel.
> and The pacer had the lift gate.
> and The pacer had the performance
> and The pacer had rack and pinion steering
> and the Pacer was bigger and wider
> 
> The pacer was the first complete SUV package.
> 
> Bob.
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




 
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