Ryan, You said "We have absolutely zero right to force someone to build, or not crush, electric cars, not even if it's "in (our) best interests." Unfortunately, this statement is not correct. You should check into the history of corporate charters. Prior to the civil war all corporation charters were issued for the purposes of corporation serving the public good. The trade of made by government in issuing corporate charters was that the corporation would have limited liability because they were serving the public good. That was the intent of corporation from day 1 and still is in most countries outside of the US. What this also meant was that if the corporation was NOT acting in the public interest the corporate charter could be revoked. In fact, this happened a number of times to stop corporate greed prior to the civil war. So what's with the civil war? Why is this a turning point? Well, you need to look at the history of the 14th amendment. This amendment was sold to the public as giving slaves the right to vote. On the other hand, what this amendment really did was to classify corporations as individuals and remove the right of states to revoke corporate charters when corporations do not act in the public's interests. If you look at an accurate history of the civil war, you will see that it was started over an economic issue of tariffs on southern cotton. The whole slavery thing only came on later in the war as the publics interest in the north was waning after a number of losses to the south, Lincoln and his advisors came up with the slavery abolition idea, to continue to sell the war to the north. However, it was a back door deal to northern corporations to devise a law that would appear to "Free the slaves" but actually "freed the corporations" to conduct greed wars on the public. In fact, over the past 100+ years, the 14th amendment has been used to protect corporation over 996 times, while it only was use 4 times to deal with voting rights for slaves. See the video documentaries "the corporation" and "america-freedom to fascism." History: if we don't learn from it, we are destine to repeat it. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:DMCForum-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:DMCForum-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DMCForum-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/