I never claimed the article was without fault. I know nickel is used in more things besides hybrid batteries. Still, the area where the nickel mine is was supposedly damaged due to the mining. No, I haven't been there and haven't seen the mine personally so I can not attest to that. The one thing this writer states, that you have yet to provide, is specific facts that can be verified. This is pushing the limit of getting into politics, of which we have all agreed not to do, but we have enough oil here in the US to get off foreign dependency. Gee, if we were only allowed to drill our own oil here, in the gulf, and in ANWR. Wow, a very fast and easy way to get off foreign oil that could happen sooner than waiting for efficient hybrids! I have no desire to spend $10k on top of the price of my truck to double the gas mileage. If I wanted a better mileage vehicle, and it suited my needs, I would just go get one that already exists without the mark up. Then again, I earned the money I spend on my truck and my gasoline so if I want to dump raw fuel out of the exhaust pipe I can. Hang on while I remote start my truck and let it idle for a bit. :-) Greg _____ From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Brandys Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:47 PM To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [DMCForum] the EV1... Sort sighed article, myoptic in its analysis. Misleading it is implications. Where are the cost savings associated with reduced CO2 emissions? Oh, those are "Externalities" (in economic terms) so they are not quantified. BS Where are the environmental costs of oil drilling and supply?. How about the cost savings of not having a mideast war over oil of the future that will cost many trillions of dollars? The cost of this stupid Iraq war is now almost $1 trillion dollars. That is about $10,000 per car in the US. Spending $10,000 more on a car to double its mileage would eliminate the need for mid east oil. Gee, wouldn't that be a good idea? Of course, at that point, there would be an over supply of oil and the price would drop to below $1 per gallon. BUT WE WOULD BE FREE FROM THEIR OIL! The comments on nickel refining ASSUME that all the nickel is used in hybrid cars. Get real. Most nickel is used in Stainless steel. This is just misleading and inaccurate perspective. The amount of nickel used in NiMH batteries (which are recycled because of their very high value) is insignificant compared to SS. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:DMCForum-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:DMCForum-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DMCForum-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/