Re: [DMCForum] Mistletoe belt buckles, naked chicks and hummers...

[Jon Heese <dmcforum@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Let me make sure I was clear with the point of my message earlier today:

Wishing someone a Merry Christmas is in the gray area when it comes to 
being a "religious topic" on the Forum.  Claiming that Christmas is a 
national holiday, and therefore universal to Americans is demonstrably 
and woefully wrong.

Along the same lines: in a sad bit of irony, people who complain about 
the "Happy Holidays" movement limiting their 1st amendment rights 
actually have it backwards.

Regards,
Jon Heese

Jack Stiefel wrote:
> No Chuck you were short sweet and to the point.  Which ever decision you make be it either a day to celebrate Christs birth, one of obscene amount of gift giving, one of just a day off to spend with your family, or to celebrate other religious holidays (Cha,Quans, etc.)m have a good one.
> 
> I think that's why it is being coined Happpy Holidays as there are several different holidays being honored.
> 
> Have a good Holiday, eat too much, bring doggy bags, go to church if you do, stay home and watch It's A Wonderful Life and A Christmas Story if you don't, and last but definitely not least God Bless you and yours.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck McKnight <gullwingdoors@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: 5 Dec 2005 21:13:53 -0000
> Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Mistletoe belt buckles, naked chicks and hummers...
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> Christmas is DEFINATELY a religious holiday.  Unfortunately, in todays world it is becoming less and less of one.  I hate the whole movement going on to take Christ out of Christmas, and replace it with "happy holidays".  Technically the date is wrong, yes, but Christmas is still a celebration of Christ's birth, and that's the way it should stay.
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>   Thanksgiving, believe it or not, is also a religious holliday.  It was started as a day to give thanks to God for what he has done, and how great he is.  It too, however, has been corrupted until it is nothing more than a day off school and lots of turkey.  (I'm all for those too, but Americans would do well to remember it's true origin.)
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>   Ok, I'm done.  Sorry if this is too much religios talk for this forum, but I had to jump in and add my say.
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>    
>   Chuck
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> Jon Heese <dmcforum@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   Wow.  I strongly disagree, Ryan.  I'm actually at a loss for where to 
> begin responding to this...  I'm floored that someone actually believes 
> this.
> 
> Growing up, I always celebrated Christmas, and I probably always will, 
> even if the religious aspect fades into the background.  But I've been 
> friends with Jews, Muslims and Jehovah's Witnesses whose feelings range 
> from disinterest to anger at the way society pushes the holiday on 
> everyone, regardless of faith.
> 
> I hope you're not saying you don't realize that.
> 
> Beyond my firsthand knowledge that there are people who don't 
> like/celebrate Christmas, while the religious aspect of the holiday is 
> not usually the focus, Christmas is a steadfastly Christian tradition, 
> and as such, will never be a "national" holiday.
> 
> Thanksgiving commemorates a significant time in the history of the 
> nation and has no direct ties to any religion; it doesn't single anyone 
> out.  Likewise, New Years is celebrated by people of almost all faiths 
> (even if the date of the first day of the year is sometimes seen 
> differently; since the world pretty much uses the same calendar, it's 
> certainly not exclusive to one religion).  Christmas only exists because 
> of the Chrisitan tradition, and is very specific to Christianity.
> 
> Now, I do see your point that wishing someone a Merry Christmas is 
> hardly starting a religious discssion, but I also see Mar's point of 
> making it clear that Christmas is far from a universal holiday.  I think 
> that needs to be recognized.
> 
> Regards,
> Jon Heese
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> Ryan Wright wrote:
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>>On 12/5/05, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>How do you know Dave celebrates Christmas?
>>>
>>>I thought there was no religion allowed in here
>>>anymore.
>>>
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>>Don't start, Marc. That was not a religious conversation.
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>>Christmas is a national holiday. Wishing somebody a Merry Christmas is
>>no different than wishing a Happy Thanksgiving, Happy New Year, etc.
>>It's a polite gesture that says, "Enjoy the upcoming holiday." Whether
>>that person celebrates it doesn't matter, December 25th is Christmas
>>and I hope everyone, religious or not, has a wonderful time.
>>
>>--
>>- Ryan
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