[DMCForum] Re: JZD & Bricklin

["Josh Porter" <joshp1986@xxxxxxxxx>]

Did you ask the guys from Kenya if they ever had a marshmelow? 
Propably not. The African students are Kenya, we had a cookout with 
smores and it was somewhat funny to watch them eat marshmelows.

Josh

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> 
wrote:
> That's funny that you mention that. Last January when I was on
> business out in Ohio, two of the guys I was working with were from
> Kenya, and knew all about the DeLorean as well. They were both a
> couple of the most laid back, easy going people I'd ever met, and
> educated as the day is long. But because of their accents, alot of
> people tended to ingore or exclude them. Sad...
> 
> 
> Anywho, you're right that not alot of people know what the Bricklin
> even is. I think that the main thing about why alot of the people 
who
> do know about them, is simply because of the gullwing doors. I'm not
> trying to bash the Bricklin or anything, but gullwings have been the
> signature of many landmark cars. And the Bricklin just simply 
happened
> to have them.
> 
> Not a horrible car per se, but one that you would certainly want to
> modify for reliability. If you handed me the keys to a concours
> DeLorean, I'd have no worries driving it from coast to coast. A
> Bricklin on the other hand... Well... Let's just say that while I
> could make the trip, it would not be a comfortable one. Weak A/C
> blower motor, seats that DON'T recline, slow cumbersome hydraulic
> gullwing doors, and an interior that reminds me of a padded table 
cloth.
> 
> I wouldn't mind owning one some day, but it would have to be 
seriously
> modified for me to really enjoy it.
> 
> -Robert
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Josh Porter" <joshp1986@xxxx> 
wrote:
> > Ok good, that's what I thought. I'm a big fan of the Bricklin SV-
1 
> > but from what I know right now about the company and Malcolm. 
> > DeLorean would have desapeared from sight if he went with 
Bricklin. 
> > What I mean is that everyone outside of most of the auto 
community 
> > has no idea what a Bricklin is but everyone knows what a 
DeLorean. 
> > Even Africans, there was a student from Africa that saw my model 
up 
> > on the self and new what car it was, the Back to the Future car.
> > 
> > I'm still trying to learn as much as possible about the Bricklin 
> > saga, just FYI I guess.
> > 
> > Josh
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" 
<dmcvegas@xxxx> 
> > wrote:
> > > I have heard a couple times in the past that JZD was approached 
by
> > > Malcolm Bricklin to work on the SV-1, but he declined. I don't 
know
> > > how much time both spent communicating with one another, but I 
> > really
> > > doubt GM had anything to do with JZD declining a job at 
Bricklin 
> > Motors.
> > > 
> > > 1. I doubt that JZD & MB could ever have gotten along. Other 
than 
> > the
> > > generic comparison of both building a safety car with gullwing 
doors
> > > that was eventually orphaned, there is no comparison between 
the 
> > two.
> > > JZD was a hands down a purebred Detroit engineer and executive, 
who
> > > was raised in the business. MB just wanted to build a car with 
his
> > > name on it, and admittedly didn't even know all that much about
> > > automobiles.
> > > 
> > > 2. JZD & Bill Collins did not like the SV-1 design. Not so much 
the
> > > lines of the car, but generic cosmetic treatments and lack of
> > > uniqueness. Down @ the DMCH Open House event, something that 
both 
> > Bill
> > > Collins and James Espey touched on was the ideal of making 
> > everything
> > > that you could interact with on the vehicle either physicly, or
> > > visualy, unique to the car. But anything mechanical that was 
hidden,
> > > should be top quality, off the shelf parts that were readily
> > > available. With the SV-1 using generic catalogue pieces that 
were
> > > easily identifiable, and not even customer branded, Collins 
cited 
> > the
> > > Bricklin car as being a major inspiration to DMC for what NOT 
to do
> > > with a car.
> > > 
> > > Now, maybe telling Bricklin about his GM pension penalty was a 
> > polite
> > > way for him to bow-out of talking with him. After all, Allstate
> > > Insurance did pay him a compensation check for the money that GM
> > > revoked, and was used to help finance the research and building 
of 
> > the
> > > first prototype. Part of his severence package & contract for 
said
> > > package was a retirement pension that was revokable @ GM's 
will, as 
> > a
> > > penalty if he began to work in the automotive industry again.
> > > 
> > > That's about the only thing I could think of that even relates 
to 
> > that
> > > theory about JZD & Bricklin. But Allstate had him covered, and 
JZD
> > > clearly didn't want to be apart of the project.
> > > 
> > > -Robert
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Josh Porter" <joshp1986@xxxx> 
> > wrote:
> > > > I read this today and never heard of it and wanted to ask you 
> > guys.
> > > > 
> > > > Did JZD want to work for Bricklin but couldn't because of his 
> > contract 
> > > > with GM and when the contract was over Bricklin was gone so 
he 
> > started 
> > > > his own company?
> > > > 
> > > > I think someone is pulling my leg but I want to make sure.
> > > > 
> > > > Josh

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