[DMCForum] Re: DMCH Reproduction headlight switch

["therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxx>]

No, the only person here who gets screwed over is Jerry Ryan. Not
those of us who are investing in the switches. We've gotten our
switches in under market price @ $40 each (even lower for the first,
if yourhave a BRP to discount the first one). So were fine. However,
if Jerry has to cut his price down to $25 to unload his unwanted
stock, then his loss is greater. Not only is there his *potential*
loss of $100 versus our $15, but it's also multiplied several times
over, versus however many switches he's in possession of. Even though
of course we're simply arguing prices here based upon what we *assume*
his after price is going to be, as well as what we think his remaining
stock might be, let alone what he may possibly have paid for it.

And as far as negotiating with this guy with retooling the parts as a
leverage is concerned, that's just another assumption that he'd sell
these parts cheap. And even if he did have 300 switches, that's only a
3 year supply. Assuming that these are both retail sales, and includes
what is sold to other vendors. So, 4 years later, we're in the same
damn boat. What then, Marc? Now we have to go through this whole damn
retooling thing anyway, AND many people will have overpaid, and lost
money as the price of these switches went up. And that's money that
was lost to our community, because it could very well have been spent
on other parts. No, become self-sufficient and retool now, and we
secure our future of parts that much sooner, as well as cut our long
term losses. Remember, once this order is complete, we'll then have
the parts dies to remake the switches again in the future, with less
overhead cost during the next round. And if DMCH starts building cars
again within the next couple of years, the demand for these switches
will increase even further.

No, I'm no communist. I am however someone who likes to fight
opprotunists at every chance I get. Profiteering is fine. But there
needs to be an earned profit to justify a price, and not just an
artificial inflation to justify a price increase. Why should someone
increase the price of something, for an unjustified reason? Now, as
for the supply and demand aspect here, no, I don't believe the
switches are valued at $130. Did I pay for it? Yes I did. Was I a damn
fool for doing so? You bet your ass I was! It's a regret that I have.
Kind like overpaying for supplies in time of emergency. And once these
new switches from DMCH get released, I'm gonna take an even further
hit financially. But my princials to keep things affordable for
everyone, and desire to get back at someone for overcharging me, are
far more valuable IMO.

-Robert



--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote:
> I agree with a lot of this..  But still as the
> question, what happens if Jerry Ryan decided to lower
> his price to $25 each?  Now everyone who "invested" in
> these switches is screwed versus the 5 people a year
> who actually need one and pay the inflated $90 or $130
> price?
> 
> The point of my post was to say that the folks at DMCH
> may be better served to use the likelihood of remaking
> the switches as a negotiating tool to buy the
> remaining stock from Mr. Ryan.  300 switches will last
> an awful long time, and the efforts to remake parts
> can be used on things that are really "no longer
> available".
> 
> Outside of that, I support any effort to remake parts.
> 
> BTW, that last paragraph makes you sound like a
> Communist!  (Not that it is a bad thing)  LOL
> 
> 
> 
> --- therealdmcvegas <dmcvegas@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> > The problem here is that you're not thinking ahead
> > for the future. The
> > demand right now may not be what you would consider
> > high. But stretch
> > that out over the long term into the upcomming
> > years, and yes, the
> > demand is indeed there.
> > 
> > I understand exactly what you're saying about supply
> > and demand. But
> > please understand my POV here. I don't want the
> > demand to exceed the
> > supply. I don't want people to gouge others on the
> > price of rare
> > parts, like I had to pay. So if it means I shell out
> > a couple extra
> > bucks to buy some parts that I might not even need,
> > then so be it.
> > 
> > If me buying a couple of headlight switches helps to
> > get that part
> > back into production, and effectively devalue the
> > stock of parts that
> > people hoarded, then I'm all for it. I'm more than
> > willing to do it
> > now for the headlight switch, and in the future for
> > other parts.
> > 
> > That and it sucks to drive around using jumper wires
> > to get your
> > headlights to turn on. I felt like friggin'
> > Ernistine the operator
> > everytime it got dark...
> > 
> > Been there, and done that on all fronts with not
> > having an available,
> > and crucial safety component, and then having to pay
> > an outragous
> > price for a replacement. To put it simply, Fuck
> > doing anything like
> > that ever again. I'll help get the part back into
> > production, so that
> > others don't have to go thru what I did.
> > 
> > And as far as supply and demand theory goes, it's
> > abused way too often
> > in our society by greedy, wicked people, who hide
> > behind it like to
> > avoid criticism. Housing prices are jacked up, so I
> > still live in an
> > apartment. Gasoline and insurance prices are jacked
> > up, so my
> > disposable income, and savings get tapped and
> > suffer. And prescription
> > drugs are so high, I'll most likely be eating dog
> > food by the time I'm
> > 70, just so I can afford to get whatever medication
> > is available, that
> > will keep me alive that much longer, to endure
> > feeding someone immoral
> > corporations profit margin. If we don't take a stand
> > against the
> > "supply and demand" pricing structure to stop the
> > artificial inflation
> > the value of goods, more than our children, our
> > decendants will become
> > permanent economic slaves. Or worse yet, we'll
> > destroy our own
> > economic structure, and thus our society. Becoming
> > self-sufficient is
> > the key. And we've a great opprotunity to make
> > switches cheaply, and
> > readily available to everyone here, independant of
> > those who choose to
> > extort our wallets under the guise of "Supply and
> > Demand". I made that
> > mistake of overpaying for that headlight switch, and
> > won't do it again.
> > 
> > -Robert
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy
> > <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Don't get me wrong, I think it will be good if
> > DMCH
> > > has them remade.  But, if the demand is not there,
> > > then it is what it is!  That is why DMCH took this
> > > method with this part.  They did not ask us to
> > > pre-order the dash/binnacle, or angle drive
> > because
> > > they know the demand is there...  and there is
> > minimal
> > > competition for these items.
> > > 
> > > * assuming the statement about Jerry Ryan is true
> > *
> > > 
> > > How many switches has Jerry sold at his price? 
> > How
> > > many more would he have sold at $50 vs $90?  True,
> > if
> > > I needed one I would rather pay $50 instead of
> > $130 or
> > > $90, but those are the rules of supply and demand.
> > > 
> > > My point is, if the demand is not there then why
> > make
> > > the part?  DMCH (or any vendor) may be better
> > served
> > > buying ALL of Jerry's remaining stock for $40 each
> > to
> > > then resell to us at $50 each (Can't get 250
> > > pre-orders, so 300 switches should last a while). 
> > > With the threat of DMCH repaired to have them
> > re-made,
> > > Jerry must know that he will not be selling any
> > more
> > > switches at the inflated rate.  Jerry given the
> > choice
> > > to sell his remaining stock at $40 (or even less!)
> > > each, or have them worthless in a few weeks when
> > the
> > > reproductions are made may be willing to sell
> > them.
> > > 
> > > On the other hand, what is to stop Jerry from
> > selling
> > > them for $25 each after DMCH has them re-made? 
> > Now
> > > everyone that paid $40 (or $50) for the
> > reproduction
> > > got screwed (Not DMCH, because the risk was taken
> > by
> > > the people who pre-bought)...  Kind of like the
> > people
> > > who bought SSI for $250!
> > > 
> > > Let me repeat, The work DMCH has done in the past
> > few
> > > years to reproduce parts have been great.  I'd
> > like to
> > > see it continue.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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