Re: [DMCForum] Re: History of AEC Routemaster London Bus (Darren Cunningham)

[DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683@xxxxxxxxx>]

I heard them busses dont have cooling fans and that is why they are so 
fast.

Mark V



On Jul 11, 2005, at 6:07 PM, content22207 wrote:

> Perhaps a little review is in order:
>
> Message #27678 - Martin complained that "Frigging London buses [are
> exempt from emissions testing] - and there're still a large proportion
> of those ancient ones plodding around.
>
> Message #27681 - I reply that they keep those old "London Buses"
> around because of the open platform in the back. Furthermore, "Central
> London is the only place you'll find those old double deck
> buses. That's why they're called 'London Buses'".
>
> Message #27687 - Martin claims: double decker buses are not exclusive
> to London [a claim I never made in Message #27681] and that the only
> unique characteristic of London Buses is that they're painted Red [a
> totally false claim -- the Routemasters are unique for their open
> platform, designed by London Transport itself].
>
> Message #27689 - I try to set Martin straight Re: Message #27681, and
> his bodged Reply #27687.
>
> Message #27690 - Martin complains that I am now saying something
> different than I did in Message #27681. I am not -- reread the
> original message. "London Buses" are those quintessential *OLD*, *OPEN
> PLATFORM*, *DESIGNED BY LONDON TRANSPORT ITSELF* buses built by AEC.
> That's why Brits themselves call Routemasters "London Buses".
>
> Message #27698 - I provide some 3rd party info to backup what I in
> fact stated so clearly in Message #27681, to whit: Routemasters remain
> in service (they're still in the background of the bombing
> coverage...) *BECAUSE OF THE OPEN PLATFORM*. That's why "there're
> still a large proportion of those ancient ones plodding around", to
> quote Martin.
>
> Not to be particular, but I spent a year at University in Stirling,
> Scotland. Several times I have visited my Uncle -- a retired COE
> minister living outside Barrow (in Furness). My charming ex-wife and I
> used to travel to Great Britain every 18 months on average. Altogether
> I have spent more than 12 months in your fine country since 1980, and
> have travelled all the way from Dartmoor (Devonshire) to the cliffs
> outside Wick, Scotland.
>
> And Routemasters have been identified to me by your own countrypeople
> as "London Buses". Not the much more prevalent Leyland units -- which
> lack the open platform and are simply called "double decker buses --
> but Routemasters in particular.
>
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
>
>> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Darren Cunningham
> <darren.cunningham@xxxx> wrote:
>> The Routemaster may be the typical postcard London Bus but Martin is
>> right in that any bus operated by London Transport is a London Bus
> (even
>> if it isn't a red double decker...).
>>
>>  From the Wikipedia page you referenced: "The AEC Routemaster is a
> model
>> of double-decker bus" - it doesn't say that the Routemaster is *the*
>> London Bus. ..
>>
>> The website of the London Bus Preservation Trust has a list of buses
>> they/their members own (see
>> http://www.kevinmcgowan.org/vehicles/html/vehicles.html) which 
>> includes
>> single deckers, double deckers, red buses, green buses etc.
>>
>> Darren
>> #12180 - London, England
>>
>> content22207 wrote:
>>
>>> The AEC Routemaster was designed by London Transport specifically for
>>> operational characteristics of the central city -- narrow streets 
>>> with
>>> no bus pullovers:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routemaster
>>> The open rear platform is key to this operation. *THAT'S* why open
>>> platform double decker buses are called "London Buses", versus other
>>> manufacturers without open platforms such as Leyland, which are 
>>> simply
>>> "double decker buses".
>>>
>>> This is how arguments with you continue -- you simply refuse to admit
>>> the truth. "London Buses" were designed by LONDON TRANSPORT. They are
>>> truly "London Buses" in every sense of the word. The only buses in
>>> commuter service over there with open platforms are "London Buses".
>>> Your very own country people admit as much -- perhaps you could do 
>>> the
>>> same...
>>>
>>> Urp.
>>>
>>> Bill Robertson
>>> #5939
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Martin Gutkowski <martin@xxxx> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> This is how arguments with you start Bill - you write something
> wrong,
>>>> that then gets pointed out, then you re-write the same post claiming
>>>> it's what you said in the first place, which it wasn't. Go and
> re-read
>>>> your original post.
>>>>
>>>> London buses are double decker buses painted red with "London
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Transport"
>>>
>>>
>>>> written on the side and are generally found around the streets of
>>>> London. It ain't rocket science.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> content22207 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm talking about the open platform being "London Buses". Of course
>>>>> double deck buses are all over your country (UK -- they're quite
>>>>> prevalent in Scotland's larger cities too). But they're all
>>>>> conventional entry units without conductors. When I was in
> school, the
>>>>> AEC units were the only ones called "London Buses" (nice British
>>>>> people explained this to me). And the last time I was in London
> (2000)
>>>>> people were indeed still climbing on & off as the bus merely slowed
>>>>> down, much less actually came to a complete stop. Very efficient, 
>>>>> if
>>>>> not totally safe.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sky is blue...
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Robertson
>>>>> #5939
>>>>>
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