RE: [DMCForum] Re: Clutch woes

["timnagin" <timnagin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

This is just a shot in the dark, but is it possible the pressure plate is
not fully engaging the clutch to the flywheel?  Do you have your old
pressure plate where you can measure the distance from the surface to the
mounting flanges and compare it with the new one?

Greg


-----Original Message-----
From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Ryan Wright
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Clutch woes


Done. Yeah, I had it right to begin with. Bummer. What else could be
the problem?

-Ryan

On 6/12/05, timnagin <timnagin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> Check out your De Lorean Workshop Manual, section E:03:02.  Look at the
> Installation section, and read the note under number 2.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Ryan Wright
> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:31 PM
> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Clutch woes
>
>
> Nope, this can't be it. I just went out and held the clutch disk up to
> the flywheel. It only fits one way -- the way I had it. Putting it in
> with the center/spring part toward the flywheel results in a solid
> 1/2"+ gap between the flywheel and the clutch disk, and the springs
> and such hit the bolts that hold the flywheel on.
>
> Darn.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On 6/12/05, Ryan Wright <ryanpwright@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Holy crap, then, I think that's the problem. Thankfully I paid
> > attention when I took it apart this time, so I know which way I had it
> > installed.
> >
> > There are two "things" that stick out from the clutch disk:
> >
> > 1. The splined shaft.
> > 2. The funny center part with the springs in it.
> >
> > The side that has the springs in it, is also the side where the shaft
> > sticks out the least. Here is a picture of that side:
> >
> > http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/1.jpg
> >
> > So what I'm hearing is, THIS side should go toward the flywheel?
> > Because, I had it installed with this side toward the pressure plate.
> > See, the funny center part with the springs in it just fits right down
> > into the cavity on the pressure plate. So I assumed this is how it
> > went. (In the picture above, if you let the clutch disk fall into the
> > pressure plate that's sitting on the floor, that's how I had it).
> >
> > And this could cause my exact problem?
> >
> > So if I just reverse this and put it all back together, I should be
> > good as gold? Or is it possible I damaged something and should buy
> > some new parts?
> >
> > And it looks like I can forget that stupid clip on the clutch fork
> > then, too. Sweet. I'll remove what's left of it and leave it at that.
> >
> > -Ryan
> >
> > On 6/12/05, Matt Spittle <mds328@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > You'll notice the splined hollow shaft in the clutch sticks out
> > > further on one side than the other.  The side it sticks out least on
> > > is the side that faces the flywheel.
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt
> > > #1604
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Ryan Wright <ryanpwright@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > Well, I don't know, actually. How do I tell which is the front and
> > > > back and how they should go in?
> > > >
> > > > -Ryan
> > > >
> > > > On 6/12/05, DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > When you originally installed the clutch did you put the clutch
> plate
> > > > > in correctly because there sometimes is a front and back to the
> clutch
> > > > > and they are different from each other either to an offset or the
> way
> > > > > the clutch is attached to the disc. If you did put it in backwards
> > > this
> > > > > would explain all of your problems if the delorean has a front and
> > > back
> > > > > to the clutch
> > > > >
> > > > > I dont know if this is true with all cars.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark V
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 12, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Ryan Wright wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Quick background: I replaced my clutch last fall. Replaced most
> > > > > > everything - seals, bearings, disk, master/slave cylinders,
> > > line, etc.
> > > > > > Flywheel was machined at Napa. The clip on the clutch fork was
> > > broken,
> > > > > > so we engineered a fix. Everything worked fine until roughly two
> > > weeks
> > > > > > ago, the clutch began engaging only at the very top of pedal
> travel.
> > > > > > Like it was already worn out. Things went from working great to
> > > barely
> > > > > > working immediately; there was no "slow degredation" - one day
> > > > > > everything was perfect, the next it wasn't. I bled the clutch
but
> > > > > > nothing changed. I drove it two more weeks trying to delay the
> > > > > > inevitable, but last Thursday the clutch began slipping so I
> parked
> > > > > > the car. It's a daily driver, so there are ~5,000 miles on the
new
> > > > > > clutch. Also, this is the Centerforce complete system kit from
> > > Grady.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The transmission is now out. I took some pictures because I
don't
> > > > > > fully understand what the problem is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Full flywheel pic:
> > > http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/flywheel.jpg
> > > > > > Close-up:
http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/flywheel_close.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looks like the area where the clutch disk goes is worn down
quite
> a
> > > > > > bit. How is this possible? I do not abuse the clutch - at all.
> > > Was it
> > > > > > simply machined down too far? Or maybe it had been turned in the
> > > past,
> > > > > > before I owned the car, and was on its last legs already? The
disk
> > > > > > area is *slightly* higher than the outside ring, but not by
> > > much. Do I
> > > > > > need a new flywheel?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is another potential issue: The little clip on the back of
> the
> > > > > > clutch fork broke off. It was already damaged when I replaced
the
> > > > > > clutch last fall. We rigged up a fix (which held), but the "Y"
> > > part of
> > > > > > the clip at the end gave up and went who-knows-where. Could this
> > > cause
> > > > > > the clutch travel to change and the clutch disk to slip? Do I
need
> a
> > > > > > new clutch fork? Can I just buy that little clip?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Picture of fork: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/fork.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The pressure plate and clutch disk have some interesting
patterns
> on
> > > > > > them. Not sure if that's normal:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pressure plate: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/plate.jpg
> > > > > > Closeup: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/plateclose.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clutch disk: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/disk.jpg
> > > > > > Closeup: http://www.ryanwright.com/tmp/dclutch/diskclose.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At this point I am unsure how to proceed, and could really use
> your
> > > > > > advice. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ryan

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