[DMCForum] Re: 780 Bertone (Robert) - Was: Continuing misadventures of a Volvo/B280F PRV

["cartermartin" <cartermartin@xxxxxxxxx>]

Robert,

A 780 bertone came available here. A decent looking white one with a 
turbo 4. So I'm looking at that (along with Miata's and 245 volvo 
station wagons LOL). 

This one is supposed to be a 2 owner and all maintenance was done by 
a shop here in Atlanta. It has Tennessee tags though. And the radius 
rods (part of those damn mcpherson struts suspension) are brand new. 
Which makes me wonder...why??? The bushings go but are replacable. 
The ball joints are shot as are the struts. Probably why the guy is 
selling. 

I'm pretty sure it's been in some kind of reck. The accordian part of 
the rear bummper is compressed a bit and there is a shitty paint job. 
Overall it's in pretty good shape and i'll look at it some more.

Used car searching, esp in the price range i'm in, can be 
entertaining. Kind of like detective work. I'd call it fun if i 
didn't need to find a reliable driver.

Carter

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> 
wrote:
> I like the PRV. I think it's a damn fine engine. However, I think 
that
> it has the worst luck in getting put into vehicles that put it into 
a
> bad light. Volvos and Eagle Premiers are ALWAYS ending up on junky 
car
> lots, where they get sold to poor people that run these cars into 
the
> ground. And with DeLoreans, they always get parked, and then started
> up before their cooling and fuel systems are properly repaired. 
Hence
> in both cases, they sufffer premature death.
> 
> I like the PRV. However, we don't have the kind of resources here in
> the U.S. that make it a proper engine to hotrod, let alone properly
> maintain. DeLorean is like the last hold out that still stocks parts
> for these engines. Modern Volvo dealerships don't stock anything for
> them on hand, and their shop mechanics do not have the proper 
working
> knowlege for these motors, let alone the K-Jetronic fuel injection
> systems. In many cases, you'll find out that you are your own best
> mechanic when it comes to these engines. And save for tuning and
> adjusting the fuel mixture, I've never needed another mechanic to 
work
> on my engine. But with the lack of available performance parts, it's
> damn-near futile to rebuild these engines. All you'll get is working
> order, and no performance.
> 
> It's not that I have animosity against the PRV. I'm walking away 
from
> it with a positive opinion. It's just not what I want any longer. So
> why put the time, effort, and money into trying to restore it.
> Especially on a motor that is now a quarter century old, and NEEDS a
> complete tear down and rebuild. And besides, the DeLorean is too 
damn
> comfortable for me to want to give up. But as for the B280F, nah. I
> know that their reliable, but that isn't the primary concern.
> Especially with a classic car! :) Plain and simple, I just want a
> ground-pounder DeLorean to smack a few other egos upside their 
heads...
> 
> 760's ain't bad looking cars. Myself, I prefer the 2-door, chopped-
top
> Bertone coupes that Volvo produced. Especially the modern looking 
780
> Bertone. If you're looking for an engine swap in that one, there 
are a
> few options available, as you can see here:
> http://www.converseengineering.com/
> http://www.jagsthatrun.com/
> http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/309927
> 
> The DeLorean is most likely at this point going to be swapped out 
for
> a 3-Rotor engine. With the exception of the Rover, most V8 engines 
are
> way too heavy to put into the DeLorean. I don't care for the idea of
> throwing off the balance of my car any more. And while the Rover is 
a
> great Choice, I'd still be in the same boat of parts and performance
> availability. Yeah, they can be reworked and massaged, but the
> components are damned expensive, and rare, as they no longer build
> this engine. And Chevy is out of the question for me. So, that 
leaves
> the Rotary.
> 
> As for the Volvo, I've never done a swap, and I've only rode in one 
a
> couple of times. But personally, restoring an older Volvo, and 
doing a
> motor swap is still cheaper than buying a new luxury car. And it's
> nicer too. Late model European cars have far superior coachbuilt
> interiors that are crafted, rather than the snap-tite model 
interiors
> that are cranked out now worldwide.
> 
> -Robert
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cartermartin" <cartermartin@xxxx> 
wrote:
> > Robert,
> > 
> > Yeah we shared the same 'pleasures' with those O-Rings. I 
appreciated 
> > the tips you gave me a few weeks ago.
> > 
> > I think I am heading down the same path you are. I've garaged the 
760 
> > until I can dig into this thing (as if i have not been dug in so 
> > far). I don't want to risk warping the heads (if they are not 
warped 
> > already). I was driving my '71 145 'rusty green'. I'm having to 
look 
> > for a better 'beater' since i'm going to be driving it for  a few 
> > months. So far the 'short list' includes a Volvo 245 station 
wagon 
> > and a '90 miata. 
> > 
> > Have you considered finding a B280F for the swap? Up until  march 
> > it's been solid as a rock. 252k miles and runs like new. Seems 
like 
> > they fixed a lot of things in that edition. Cept the 'O-Rings'.
> > 
> > As usual thanks for the tips sorry we seem to be in the same boat.
> > 
> > Carter

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