[DMCForum] Re: Car Designers (Robert)

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Actually, except for an IQ component (70 or less, which is standard
for many learning disabilities), mental retardation is diagnosed in
terms of functional adaptability, not the measure or evaluation of any
mind processes. A sufferer has to display disfunctional skill
limitations in two or more areas: communication, self care, home
living, social interaction, community use, self direction, health &
safety, academics, leisure, work. Clinician needs only to observe the
subject's behavior.

Oh, limitations must also manifest before age 18 (to distinguish from
brain damage).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> You always seemed normal to me. And no, I'm not making a joke there.
> 
> Doctors are good when it comes to treating physical ailments. But 
> when it comes to diganosing things related to the mind/thought 
> processes, Alchemists were just as successful in their endevors, as 
> are many psychologists.
> 
> No, I'm not trying to bash anyone in the mental health field, but not 
> enough doctors in this profession think outside of the box IMO.
> 
> -Robert
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Josh Porter" <joshp1986@xxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > Sorry for the upset. As a medically retart myself, When I was born 
> > three doctors told my mom that I would have down sendrome, when 
> > people call me retarted I just shrug it off, who cares what other 
> > people think. I'm not stupid, I just can't spell. When I said that 
> > the report is retarted I was refering to the rules of the report 
> that 
> > we have to go by, they don't make any sense.
> > 
> > Josh
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm gonna have to agree with Andrew on this. I mean much like 
> there 
> > > is retarded and advanced ignition, so is there advanced education 
> > > which houses advanced students. Advanced meaning that they are 
> > ahead 
> > > of their average peers in their learning capabilities. So if they 
> > are 
> > > behind in their learning ability (ie Slow), like SpEd kids, then 
> > they 
> > > must be retarded.
> > > 
> > > It's just a hugh PC argument that has been raging on and on. You 
> > > can't please everyone. Soon parents may want to stop recognizing 
> > the 
> > > acheivements of outstanding students, so that they don't offend 
> the 
> > > average kids. Just like that stupid purple ink...
> > > 
> > > BTW, if this argument is offensive, then this will REALLY piss 
> you 
> > > off!
> > > 
> > > http://www.tard-blog.com/
> > > 
> > > -Robert
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "content22207" <brobertson@xxxx> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I've run into people who assume that "mental retardation" 
> > > necessarily
> > > > equates to "cognitive dissonance". Nothing could be further 
> from 
> > the
> > > > truth. Many sufferers are accutely aware of their functional
> > > > limitations even if they can't elucidate (to those of us 
> outside 
> > > their
> > > > own minds at least) exactly what it is that holds them back. 
> This 
> > > can
> > > > be a source of ongoing pain and frustration -- of course they 
> > don't
> > > > want to be disabled from the world around them. And don't 
> forget 
> > > that
> > > > one of the behavioral manifestations of mental retardation is 
> > often
> > > > emotional instability to begin with! Just hearing the 
> > > word "retarded"
> > > > can trigger a very negative response. That's why I encourage 
> > people 
> > > to
> > > > use it carefully, even in applications where it is totally 
> > > appropriate
> > > > (ignition timing for example). I attend church with two mentally
> > > > retarded adults (two different biological causes) and 
> consciously 
> > > use
> > > > "back off" or "closer to top" whenever discussing cars there 
> for 
> > > that
> > > > very reason -- I don't want either of them to overhear my
> > > > conversation, from around a corner perhaps, and misunderstand 
> my 
> > use
> > > > of the word.
> > > > 
> > > > Bill Robertson
> > > > #5939
> > > > 
> > > > >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Andrew <aos+yahoo@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, content22207 wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > The word is "retarded", and please be careful using it to 
> > > describe 
> > > > > > anything other than human functionality.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why?  Human mental disfunctionality is but one of this very 
> > useful
> > > > word's 
> > > > > many definitions.  Let's not cow to the forces of political 
> > > correctness 
> > > > > and ignore all the other uses of an English word which 
> predates 
> > > the
> > > > modern 
> > > > > diagnosis of any such mental conditions.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Perhaps Josh editorialized that the educational system in his 
> > > state
> > > > is a 
> > > > > throwback, in which case the report could perfectly 
> accurately 
> > be
> > > > called 
> > > > > retarded.  Perhaps he meant he can't finish the report without
> > > > finding a 
> > > > > car designer to speak to, in which case his lack of research 
> > > ability is 
> > > > > retarding his schoolwork.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then again, he probably meant exactly what you think he did, 
> > and 
> > > I'm
> > > > just 
> > > > > an asshole.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -andrew

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