[DMCForum] Re: Religion on the Forum

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

As a religious leader myself, I do wonder about your 7th paragraph...

There is a definite "economics of poverty". These are the poor souls
being bypassed in America today -- the ones paying utility bills at
Piggly Wiggly, with a surcharge, because they have no checking
accounts for automatic drafts. The ones paying exorbitant interest at
pay day lenders because they never learned the concept of budgeting.
The ones who rent their furniture and appliances by the week. The ones
who may be illiterate and buy their food by pictures on the packages,
not prices on the shelves. The ones who get basic medical care in an
ER rather than preventatively from a physician. And so on and so on...
There are millions of them already, and their numbers are growing.

Part of my schooling is an internship at the courthouse. There is a
constant parade of these pitiful people passing through. I call them
"adult children" because they never finished the sociological
development you and I take for granted. They may be 20 or 30 years old
in body, but they think and act with minds LESS developed than high
school students. Many of them were children of children (pregnant at
15), and now are 35 year old grandparents. It's really quite sad.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> Oh no, don't get me wrong. But we do need religions to keep people in
> line, who would otherwise not be able control themselves properly.
> After all, look at people who come from poor, violent enviornments.
> Your good majority of them will grow up to be criminals, because
> that's their only option. And the sad thing is, that even after they
> finally realize the difference between right and wrong, they still do
> not change their ways. But, let them find religion, and they most time
> will become totally different people. People who are now given a
> self-restraint that they otherwise would not have had.
> 
> Now, getting back to to the ill acts that religions commit. I don't
> judge the actions of a few individuals upon the legions of others who
> worship under the same rules. After all, there's always goiong to be
> those who take their religion too seriously, and may hurt themselves
> in the process. Be it handling snakes, or extreme pacifisim, and not
> simply defending one's self.
> 
> However, when it comes to controling the masses, we must not let
> certain people come into power. We have to monitor, and strike down
> those who would lead others into chaos, based upon their own personal
> agendas. If not we end up with extremes of old people eating dog food
> so that they can send in their pensions to PTL, to violent people
> flying airplanes into building and detonating car bombs. These are the
> people whom we must stop from coming into power, and eradicate those
> who are.
> 
> Now for the big $64K question: Why. Are these people really killing
> for the glory of God? Allah? Jehova? Or some other diety? No, because
> it has nothing to do with religion. These are people who corrupt
> fellowship and break it down into gangs. The jihads of the middle east
> have nothing to do with religion. It's all about a power struggle.
> Farmers grow poppy flowers to produce herion, and then traffic it out.
> The same with pirated media, phony rolexes, imitation pharmaceuticals,
> the list goes on and on. The governments of the world claim that
> profits generated from these sales are used to fuel terrorist
> activities. And yeah, while a certain amout of cash here is slated for
> terrorist activites, far more is funneled off to leaders of these
> organizations. After all, suicide bombers can be had for wholesale
> prices, if not for free when you've got them brainwashed.
> 
> Same thing up in Norther Ireland. The people there want peace. But
> many of the militant factions on both the Catholic and Protestant
> continue to fight. Many years ago, both sides turned to drug sales as
> a way to generate cash. Since then, the public wants these people out.
> But the paramilitary groups continue their wars. And just like other
> terrorist groups, they use their religious beliefs as justification to
> continue their actions. When in reality, the sole purpose is nothing
> more than a drug war, with fighting over turf, wich is nothing more
> than distribution rights. These people don't give a shit about anyone,
> let alone their "causes". Their goals are to continue that cash flow
> at any means possible.
> 
> For fun, read up on the "Gangster Disciples" of Chicago, and compare
> them to the Jihad factions and cells of the middle east. See the scary
> parallel.
> 
> In America, our religious leaders are a bit different. They try to use
> fear and character asassination, because physical violence would not
> be tolerated here. But the results, and the reasons why are always the
> same. They fight over power and money. Because the more people that
> you control, the more people you can shake down for money. Of course
> these fools are always proven wrong. Oral Roberts never died, and Pat
> Robertson never became president. But still, they influence others in
> power play attempts to scare others into thinking that they are the
> only ones who can deliver them from the dangers of threats that they
> themselves have created. And thus the stuggle for more money and power
> continues. I see no difference between Jeryy Falwell, and Larry
> Hoover. They simply choose different resources and mediums to fight
> for the same money and power.
> 
> So don't discredit religions as being the problems of society. They do
> after all serve a very good purpose. It is the corrupt leaders who
> choose to negatively influence the masses, in order to achieve their
> own goals, that are the true problem. Those are the ones whom we need
> to fight, and shut down. Not the followers who in many cases do not
> know any better.
> 
> Now, can we set these people free? No, probably not. Religion is such
> a volitile subject, because people cannot handle being wrong. Hell,
> look at Tecumseh. He tried long and hard to both unite people, and
> kill allot of the foolish superstitions. Such as the "Red Sticks". So
> when you challenge someone in a conversation, it can be pretty hard to
> admit that they're wrong about something. Now try and point out the
> shortcomings and inconsistancies of the beliefs that someone has based
> their entire life upon... People who are, and would otherwise have
> remained good friends are suddenly bitter enemies. Especially if these
> beliefs dictate that those whom you disagree with, are to become your
> enemies.
> 
> Which is a big reason why we avoid bringing up religion and politics
> here on the list.
> 
> -Robert
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "content22207" <brobertson@xxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > Interestingly, self control over instinct is the basis for much of the
> > Deuteronomaic Law (such as Kosher food and Sabbath work restrictions).
> > These are not seen as privations, but rather as joyous celebrations of
> > what makes their adherents truly human.
> > 
> > And Christians promptly stopped following most of them...
> > 
> > I've got to finish a paper before class tonight so I can't stay long.
> > Oh well. But one last thought:
> > 
> > Organized religions, as practiced, are human constructs. As such, is
> > it surprising that their followers sometimes get pointed in the wrong
> > direction,  sometimes even on purpose? But just as the whole of
> > American democracy shouldn't be discounted on the basis of Jim Crow or
> > women's dissuffrage, the entirety of Christianity should not be judged
> > by actions of some individuals or even whole denominations.
> > 
> > Just imagine if the value and purpose of DeLorean ownership depended
> > on what I do with #5939 in particular. There would be no hope for the
> > marque.
> > 
> > Bill Robertson
> > #5939

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