RE: [DMCForum] Videobob is angry with me...

["Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I accept your apology as I always will respect anyone who will at least step 
up.
My anger with you was mostly that you make me out to be some vulture who is
"ripping people off", and that is not fair.
There is nothing wrong with doing business, business and retail are simple 
and have
never changed.
I would be lying if I said that my items were not marked up for a profit.
The difference is that compared to others, my mark up is less.
There are others who sell the same antenna for $100 or more.
Mine is $50.00

So you found a better deal on one, big deal.
That's great, tell everybody - but that doesn't mean that I am a scam artist
who is taking advantage of people.

If that was true, then everyone who is in business are guilty by your 
standards.
Do you really think that Rob, Don, or anyone else who is selling parts is 
doing it
for charity?

I buy this stuff in bulk to get the best price and tie up my money having it 
in stock,
I spend hours on the phone with who ever calls me to ask questions, and I 
make
sure that every DeLorean related product I sell is totally reversible and 
does NO harm
to the original car.
My LED's plug in with no modifications to the car, and this is true too with 
the antenna
and everything else I sell.
This is why I push my wire harness adapter so that people will not chop up 
the
radio wires when they are installing a new radio.

My sales motives are more than profit driven, they are also designed to help
preserve the cars and make them better, and we all know how I feel about
keeping the cars in good shape.
The LED's for instance, this direct plug in system prevents people from 
making
bypass switches and other modifications and allows the car to be displayed 
with the
lights on which not only looks better but also shows everything to be in 
working
condition and makes the open doors safer in the dark.
I don't want a car-show attendee to ask, "how come the door lights don't 
work?"
With my LED's in the doors, and through out the car you can leave all the 
lights on
as long as you like.
Now I admit, over the years the LED's are getting cheaper and easier to find 
and my
sale of them has dropped off, but I am proud of the hundreds of cars out 
there that
have my LED's in them and are in a better operating state now.

As far as the antenna's, well, if you can get them that cheap then go ahead 
and get it.
I don't care.
If you know enough about your car to install it and figure out the wires 
then go ahead,
but don't go behind my back and then expect me to help you out of a jam when
you get your wires crossed or the thing doesn't work.
Support for support.

I do get tired of being shit on.
I don't think I am so bad, I feel like I put a lot of time, money and effort 
into my stuff
and I make very little money from it, and on top of that I get bitched at my 
people like
you who expect everything to be free for them.
You get what you pay for you know.
That has always been true.

So maybe your right.
Maybe the customer is paying $32 for an installation manual.
Sometimes it's worth it if it means you will get a hassle free installation, 
will not
cut any of your wires, and you will have customized instructions for your 
car and
someone you can call if something is wrong, someone who has installed 
several of these
on actual DeLorean cars... who by the way will install it for FREE if you 
bring your car over
to my house. I have even driven to other people's houses and installed the 
antenna
into their DeLorean for FREE.

That's the kind of guy I am.
NOT as you described me.
So I get very hurt and defensive when people accuse me of that sort of 
thing.

Hey, if you want to make it your spare time to inform all of the owners of 
all the
latest and greatest improvements for their cars and where to get them, 
great.
But researching all of the things that I offer for sale to try to reveal my 
sources
and under cut me for no reason other than to be spiteful is just a low thing 
to do.
Why don't you do this to Rob, Don, John, Toby, Stephen and all the other 
vendors?
I have NEVER seen you do that before.
Why me?
What did I ever do to you?

- VB




>From: "ryanpwright" <yahoo1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [DMCForum] Videobob is angry with me...
>Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 06:30:27 -0000
>
>
>... and he posted it publicly on dmcnews. So I must follow up here.
>Those of you who don't want to read it, hit delete now, because I have
>zero sympathy for your "DEAR GOD CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG" posts.
>
> >> Your a real asshole you know that?
> >> to publicly say I am scamming people is total bullshit.
>
>I'm sorry; if I'd have used the word "screw", would that make
>any
>difference to you?
>
>Robert, your morals are reprehensible. If you were trying to help this
>community instead of make obscene profits off of it, you would share
>your instructions freely like the rest of us. If you wanted to run a
>business you'd buy at wholesale and resell at a fair markup like
>our vendors.
>
>Instead, you choose to operate somewhere in between. It's a place
>where people need a little bit of pressure (constant posts about your
>goods) and a little bit of ignorance (no knowledge of
>superbrightleds.com or that the Legacy LN46 is a direct replacement
>for our power antennas) to take the plunge. The problem you have with
>this arrangement is your customers eventually figure things out, and
>when they do they feel cheated.
>
>You further compromise whatever morals you might have left with
>half-truths. For instance, "if you buy an generic antenna you
>might need to do some modifications to it." Are you claiming you
>aren't selling a Legacy LN46 antenna? I could go out to my car,
>pull mine and prove it, but I don't have to because you know
>I'm
>right. Your picture is identical, hell, even the text describing the
>antenna is identical! So what you're really selling is a 12 page
>color
>printout for $32. That's your business, but at least be honest
>about it.
>
>See, this is the difference between you and I: If I found a nearly
>identical replacement for DeLorean console clocks for $5 on some web
>site, I'd tell the community about it. You would resell them for
>$40 and hope nobody finds the original vendor. I find that behavior
>disgusting and non-conducive to the community.
>
>I'm not looking for a fight with you, Robert. You could, with some
>small changes, be a real asset to the community. Your shifter stickers
>are nice and fairly priced, as are your bumper letters. Your side
>stripes look decent and your work on doing a run of tasteful JZD
>memorial stickers at a fair price is nice. You have a lot of good
>ideas and some decent business sense. If you cleaned up your language
>somewhat and stopped trying to take your fellow community members to
>the cleaners on antennas and LEDs, I don't think anybody would
>have a problem with you. I certainly wouldn't.
>
>I'll tell you what: I'll take the first step here with a
>public apology for using the word "scam". I never meant to imply
>that you are a thief, a con artist, or a fraud. You run a decent shop,
>accurately and honestly describe what you're selling, ship
>promptly
>and back your products up. Those are good business practices and I
>applaud you for them. Still, I can't sit idly by while members of
>my
>community are taken advantage of.
>
>-Ryan
>
>
>

Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

ADVERTISEMENT

---

Yahoo! Groups Links

• To visit your group on the web, go to:
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/
   
• To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
  DMCForum-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
   
• Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.