RE: [DMCForum] Re: Privacy on the internet.

["Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

It has to do with Layer 3 and Layer 2 in networking... The IP address is
layer 3, and is routed differently at layer 2 (the DSL or cable).  The only
way to physically identify the location of an IP address in this manner is
to tap into the ISP's customer records.  There is no public database.

As an aside, I used to switch around IP's all the time at my last company.
I might route a certain network to Germany one week, and to London or L.A.
the next.  The ARIN whois will tell you who -owns- a block of IPs, but not
where each IP is physically located.

-Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Heese [mailto:dmcforum@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:16 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Privacy on the internet.



Yeah, I agree.  When it comes to personal residences, the tactic is 
flawed.  But if, for instance, you wanted to locate a certain 
server/data center based on their IP address(es) because your gay 
hosting provider won't tell you where they colocate their servers, it 
can be useful.  My IP resolves to BellSouth's CO in North Miami, but I 
live 50 miles south in Homestead.  But you get the picture: even if this 
did work flawlessly, it takes a little work and knowledge of the area to 
get a phyiscal street address.  In certain situations it can be done, 
but I don't have a problem with it, I think it's neat.

Regards,
Jon Heese


Marc Levy wrote:
> I have yet to see a database that will pinpoint a
> physical location to a IP address..  The web site Adam
> sent over said I was in Freehold, which is a few miles
> away.
> 
> The only way I know how to do it, is with a court
> order from a judge telling the ISP where the device is
> on their network.  Even then, with shared access like
> a cable modem you will only be able to narrow it to a
> portion of the network, still wont know exactly what
> house.  (Of course, the ISP knows where to send my
> bill, but I can take my cable modem to any neighbors
> house and still be online... with the same IP
> address).
> 
> --- Jon Heese <dmcforum@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
>>I don't personally see this as an invasion of
>>privacy, but I see it in
>>the same vein as most things a lot of people
>>consider such.  What it all 
>>means is that every email (and web request, and
>>every connection you 
>>make through TCP to the outside world) is signed
>>with an encoded version 
>>of your house address (decodable via TerraServer or
>>whatever and a 
>>physical exploration of the area).
>>
>>Regards,
>>Jon Heese
> 
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