RE: [DMCForum] DeLoreans and their owners, Growing together.

["Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Actually, the original phrase from Robert Pirsig was "the motorcycle" not
"the car".
 
Another way to put it, is that the qualities/traits of a good craftsperson
(attention to detail, patience, knowledge of the materials) are things that
you need to develop internally. For instance: patience is not a tool that
you simply pick up when you start to work and put down when you're done.
It's something you must develop first in your mind.
 
The process of doing the work itself helps you develop those traits, and the
traits help you develop the work.
 
If anyone would like to read the original "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
Maintenance",  just let me know and I'll send you a copy. It's often thought
of as the most important philosophy book of the 20th century. It also is a
good read -- it's not a textbook, it's a novel.

-----Original Message-----
From: timnagin [mailto:timnagin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:00 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [DMCForum] DeLoreans and their owners, Growing together.


I think you may be missing the point.  Dave can explain this better I am
sure, but I think you could exchange "the car" with anything else, as an
analogy of a work in progress.  Dave is not judging.

Dave?

Greg




-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Levy [mailto:malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:36 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DMCForum] DeLoreans and their owners, Growing together.




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Dave Said:

"The real DeLorean you're working on is a DeLorean
called yourself. The car that appears to be "out
there" and the person that appears to be "in here" are
not two separate things. They grow toward Quality or
all away from Quality together..."
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Maybe you are missing the word "NOT"???

Dave said that the car and the person are NOT two
separate things, so they must be related.  Therefore,
the car is a representation of the person.  Maybe it
is a leap for me to think that Dave would judge a
person based on their car which is why I posed it as a
question for him.

Clearly, you cannot judge a person by their car
because here we have a large group of DeLorean owners
and we sure do disagree on a whole bunch of stuff!
So, Does Dave judge DeLorean owners based on the
"quality" (his word) of their DeLorean?

How about a guy like me?  I own 3 DeLoreans.. All of
varying "quality".  How do would I fit in to this
evaluation?

I am at a loss for words Greg.  I don't know how to
elaborate on something that (to me) is spelled out so
clearly.  Can someone else comment on this, If I am
wrong please tell me!  LOL

--- timnagin <timnagin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
> I did, and several times before posting.  I don't
> see how you are arriving
> at your statement.  Can you elaborate?
>
> Greg



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