RE: [DMCForum] My conversation with James Espey

[Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

He seemed to think that if there was going to be any movement on their end
it would come sometime before the end of the year. I told him it would be
tough to begin posting again on the DML (as himself) with this still
festering. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Levy [mailto:malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:18 AM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [DMCForum] My conversation with James Espey


I agree.

John H, DMC Joe, Darryl T, Toby and other vendors have
effectively improved the profitability of their
businesses while offering ADVICE on the DML.  It is a
model which has worked for a long time, and I don't
see how James would consider the "SonnyV" approach any
more effective.

IMHO, even if we ignore the SonnyV thing, it is
annoying that the bulk of the posts from "James" were
self promotion, Where as the vendors I list above seem
to promote themselves while providing free advice.

I do agree Travis, that the majority of people would
take advice from "James" before they would from
"SonnyV".  The fact that a link to some page on the
DMCH web site was included in the post would not be a
problem...  Just like the vendors I list above do.

The [ADV], and as you point out it may attract the
attention of the casual reader.  I frequently talk to
members of the DML about a particular recent post and
they say "Oh, I must have skipped that one".  I think
it is more likely they will read it if it was an
advertisement.  But then the question comes, when a
guy like John H answers a technical question and
includes a link to his site, is this an advertisement
or not?  I say not.

Press Release to the DML..  Good Idea.  I will be
pleasantly surprised if they do it.

--- Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> First off, I had to compliment him for actually
> calling. That shows true
> cajones. 
> 
> Anyways, we had a long talk about the whole Sonny
> fiasco. Like he told John,
> he told me it was their way of keeping from
> cluttering the DML with
> advertisements. So, they created Sonny and used him
> to dish good advice to
> other owners and direct people to the DMCH website.
> I told him that it made
> little sense because I was more likely to take
> advice from James Espey than
> I would from someone who just appeared out of
> nowhere.
> 
> I went on to offer some solutions to the whole
> advertising/DML problem. He
> could do like Hervey and answer tech questions and
> point them to solutions
> that he offers. Also, whenever a new product came
> out, I recommended he put
> an [ADV] in front of it to indicate it was an ad.
> That way people would know
> it's an ad and could elect whether to read it or
> not. But truthfully, if you
> saw a title that said "[ADV] New binnacles at DMCH"
> you'd click it right? I
> guess it's up to the moderators to sort out that
> kind of thing with the
> vendors. 
> 
> Anyways, he said he was sorry for deceiving us and
> was interested in making
> it right. My suggestion was that he put out a sort
> of press release to the
> DML and explain it and that would close the loop on
> whole mess for good.
> 
> In the meantime, he's fielding questions about the
> issue so feel free to
> call him up.
> 
>


            
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