RE: [DMCForum] Message not approved: Oddity on the DML.

["timnagin" <timnagin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

With all of the other crap that makes it on the DML without being
researched, along with the Video Bob stuff and some recent posts that
contained no De Lorean related content what so ever, I think I have to
conclude that the DML moderators are biased.  The reason I said "the DML
moderators" and not "one or some" is  because of the recent reply where they
stated they were voting in it, meaning all were involved.

This information will make it around to other people and could possibly make
the DML look really bad.  They could, however, offer suggestions as to how
the post should be written so it can be approved and try to remain unbiased
as they have always claimed to be.  I now have serious doubts as to their
intentions and feel I can not completely trust anything they have to say on
the DML.  I find that really sad, and especially more so in such a small
community where people who are elevated to some illusionary stature are just
plain people everywhere else.  There is enough negative controversy
surrounding the De Lorean enough without adding this to the list.

To add insult to injury, why is it then that other people are allowed to
state problems with other vendors on the DML where other people defend it?
Why is this any different?

Who was the moderator that rejected it this time?

Greg


-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Levy [mailto:malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 2:09 PM
To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [DMCForum] Message not approved: Oddity on the DML.



I disagree (of course). See Below.

> Marc,
>
> What you're pointing out here is, I agree, a bit
> strange and I can
> assure you that none of the moderators have anything
> to do with it.

At no point in my message (either version) do I imply
that there was any moderator misconduct.  However, the
need to reject this post with no valid reason (as it
applies to the rules of the list) concerns me.

> We all have everyday lives to live and wouldn't have
> the time to dig
> so deeply into something like this without an
> agenda. Apparently you
> have both.

No one asked any of you to dig in to anything.  Do you
make it a habit of researching every post before
accepting it to the list?  This is MY POST.  Approval
of it is not an endorsement of the content by the
moderators.. or is it?

"Apparently"?  Wow.  Talk about drawing false
conclusions.

I have no agenda, do you? The research to put this all
together was less than an hour of my time scattered
over a few days of what would have been otherwise idle
time.  It is not anything that the average high school
student could not do.

> I am, however, going to reject it. As
> strange as it all
> seems the posts themselves are made up of benign,
> mundane stuff that,
> for all the trouble, don't really offer any
> percievable gain if that
> were the intension. I also realize that promoting
> this in a "National
> Enquierer" style could have an effect on someone's
> job. I wouldn't do
> that to you and I won't do that to anyone else.

The posts? You mean, the posts from Sonny?  Wow.  You
took the time to research it, and have rejected my
post because you have a different opinion?  Maybe the
list rules need to be modified to reflect this.

Many of the posts by Sonny were to promote DMCH.  One
in particular was a personal attack on me (but it
still got approved!).  Hardly mundane.  If it is no
big deal, then let the message through and DMCH can
then have an opportunity to defend themselves.

What do you mean by "National Enquirer", because my
message was re-written to just state the facts.
Anyone is free to double check what I have done, and
challenge my results.  As far as factual content on
the DML, this is probably the most accurate message
submitted in years.

If it effects someone job, so be it.  If you are
saying James did this without the knowledge of
Stephen, and as a result James is asked to leave DMCH
then it is his own fault...  Or, if you get caught
robbing a bank, it is the police officers fault?

As time passes, and this information is distributed by
other means, will James/DMCH be given the opportunity
to defend it on the DML?  I am willing to bet yes.

If your being honest in saying there is a problem with
the tone of this message, then make some
recommendations.  On the other hand, if this topic
will never be allowed on the DML, then just say it and
quit fooling around.

If this were anyone OTHER than DMCH, it would be
approved.

All of the moderators should reconsider why they are
moderators.  Is it for the benefit of the DeLorean
community?  Or the benefit of yourselves (Perks from
vendors, ego, and such)?  There is no shame in
resignation if you realize your motivations are
misguided.

Marc

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