[DMCForum] Re: The Constitution Is an Illusion Part II

["Mike" <mcquinlan@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I was simply pointing out how he arrived at his figure.  I wasn't 
backing up his logic.

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, mike clemens <rmclemns@xxxx> wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> You missed my whole point.  Bob said it costs $35,000
> a year to keep a person imprisoned.  Prisoners don't
> get two weeks vacation and they require 24 hour a day
> "care".  Hence, the "actual" cost to keep a person
> incarserated is $3.99+ an hour.  If we (the people)
> were paying $17.50 an hour to house inmates, doo-doo
> would hit the fan, in places much higher than this
> forum.
> 
> Mike   dm co wn er
> 
> P.S.    Walt, the last part was just for you :)
> 
> 
> --- Mike <mcquinlan@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > If you took $35,000 and divided it by $17.50, you
> > get 2000 hours.  
> > This is 40 hours a week for 50 weeks (2 weeks for
> > vacation).  If a 
> > prisoner was on the streets he wouldn't be working
> > 24 hours a day.
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, mike clemens
> > <rmclemns@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Bob,
> > > 
> > > I question you math, but then again, I don't have
> > > bunch of capital letters after my name, so maybe
> > you
> > > can clarify.  Using your own numbers, you say it
> > takes
> > > $35,000 a year per inmate, or $17.50 an hour, this
> > > being "crux" of your argument.  Incarcerated
> > people
> > > are under lockup 24 hours a day for 365 days a
> > year,
> > > which works out to 8760 hours for a year (leap
> > year
> > > not included).  If my math is correct, that works
> > out
> > > to $3.99+ an hour, not the $17.50 figure you
> > quoted. 
> > > Can you explain??
> > > 
> > > By the way,  "someone" (in the context you used
> > it) is
> > > one word, not two.
> > > 
> > > Regards.
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > > --- Bob Brandys <BobB@xxxx> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Ryan,
> > > > 
> > > > Your responses to the concept of a living wage
> > and
> > > > national health care 
> > > > are humorous.  Unfortunately,  none of the
> > responses
> > > > are based in 
> > > > economic fact or public health research.    
> > > > 
> > > > The United states has more than twice as many
> > people
> > > > per capita in jail 
> > > > THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. !!
> > > > 
> > > > WHY IS THIS?  DO United STATES Citizens commit
> > TWICE
> > > > as much crime as 
> > > > other countries?  That is highly  unlikely.
> > > > 
> > > > There are numerous published economic studies
> > since
> > > > the 1920's that have 
> > > > shown that as you increase the economic status
> > of
> > > > people with real 
> > > > living wage jobs CRIME DOES DOWN.    You should
> > do
> > > > some reading in this 
> > > > area, it is very enlightening.  I studied this
> > area
> > > > while getting my 
> > > > Masters Degree in Public Health.  DO you have
> > one?
> > > > 
> > > > Do you have any training in the area of public
> > > > health and social policy. 
> > > >  Or do you just repeat the political BULL SHIT
> > you
> > > > heard from the 
> > > > conservative media.  
> > > > 
> > > > The average cost of keeping some one in jail in
> > the
> > > > United States is 
> > > > $35,000  per year.  Well, that works out to
> > about to
> > > > $17.50 per hour.  
> > > > 
> > > > Well, do you think these people would have
> > committed
> > > > their crimes IF 
> > > > THEY WERE MAKING THAT MUCH PER HOUR?
> > > > 
> > > > Actually, by jailing over 1,000,000 more people
> > per
> > > > capita than any 
> > > > other country in the world, THE UNITED STATES
> > HIDES
> > > > OVER 1% of its 
> > > > unemployment problem.  
> > > > 
> > > > YES,  HIDING THESE UNEMPLOYED IN JAILS IS
> > > > POLITICALLY A GAME.  That WE 
> > > > Taxpayer pay 60 BILLION dollar a year for AND
> > GET
> > > > NOTHING IN RETURN.
> > > > 
> > > > DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE ON
> > OUR
> > > > ECONOMY IF THESE 1 
> > > > MILLION PEOPLE HAD $35,000 A YEAR JOBS.  IT
> > WOULD BE
> > > > THE BIGGEST BOOM IN 
> > > > OUR ECONOMY IN 30 YEARS!!!
> > > > 
> > > > Ryan,  know anything about Macroeconomic theory.
> > 
> > > > THis issue of hiding 
> > > > the unemployed is also discussed in text books
> > on
> > > > this subject.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > AS FOR NATIONAL HEALTH CARE again being a PUBLIC
> > > > HEALTH EXPERT, I am 
> > > > fully informed in this area.  
> > > > 
> > > > Are you aware that the United States spends 4
> > times
> > > > as much per capita 
> > > > on health AS ALL OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED
> > > > COUNTRIES   AND HERE IS THE 
> > > > IMPORTANT FACT  -  WE DO NOT LIVE ANY LONGER AND
> > WE
> > > > ARE NOT ANY 
> > > > HEALTHIER.   IN FACT, WE HAVE MORE HEART
> > DISEASE,
> > > > CANCER AND DIABETES.  
> > > > 
> > > > The latest study on the Height of the US
> > children
> > > > compared to European 
> > > > children has shown a very alarming trend.  US
> > > > children, for the FIRST 
> > > > time in over 200 years, are SHORTER than their
> > > > parents.   A very scary 
> > > > and worrisome public health trend.  On the other
> > > > hand,  the average 
> > > > height of children in Europe is still greater
> > than
> > > > their parents.  The 
> > > > main difference is the terrible american diet 
> > that
> > > > our kids consume.   
> > > > What does this mean for the future of our
> > children.?
> > > >  Most likely more 
> > > > disease and a shorter life span.
> > > > 
> > > > Even though the US spends 4 times as much money
> > per
> > > > person, the health 
> > > > care system does not cover some 40,000,000
> > > > americans.   So overall the 
> > > > actual dollars spent per insured american is
> > even
> > > > higher.  What this 
> > > > means is that the profit made under the current
> > > > health care system is so 
> > > > great, that it is very unlikely the US will ever
> > > > have national health 
> > > > care.  
> > > > 
> > > > Here are some facts you should consider.   In
> > > > countries that have 
> > > > national health care, they have establish
> > treatment
> > > > for each disease 
> > > > that are scientifically proven to cure those
> > > > diseases.    A review of 
> > > > the US health delivery last year, showed that
> > only
> > > > 30% of the time do 
> > > > people in the US get the proper treatment for
> > there
> > > > disease. 70% of the 
> > > > time the doctor gives the wrong treatment and
> > > > actually make the patient 
> > > > sicker requiring more medical expenses. (there
> > was
> > > > wall Street Journal 
> > > > article on this) .
> > > > 
> > > > Here is another economic fact on the US health
> > care
> > > > system.  25% of US 
> > > > health care dollars are spent on paper work.
> > > > processed by insurance 
> > > > companies and then more papers to patients for
> > stuff
> > > > that was not 
> > 
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