Re: [DMCForum] Re: The Constitution Is an Illusion Part II

[Bob Brandys <BobB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ryan,

Your responses to the concept of a living wage and national health care 
are humorous.  Unfortunately,  none of the responses are based in 
economic fact or public health research.    

The United states has more than twice as many people per capita in jail 
THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. !!

WHY IS THIS?  DO United STATES Citizens commit TWICE as much crime as 
other countries?  That is highly  unlikely.

There are numerous published economic studies since the 1920's that have 
shown that as you increase the economic status of people with real 
living wage jobs CRIME DOES DOWN.    You should do some reading in this 
area, it is very enlightening.  I studied this area while getting my 
Masters Degree in Public Health.  DO you have one?

Do you have any training in the area of public health and social policy. 
 Or do you just repeat the political BULL SHIT you heard from the 
conservative media.  

The average cost of keeping some one in jail in the United States is 
$35,000  per year.  Well, that works out to about to $17.50 per hour.  

Well, do you think these people would have committed their crimes IF 
THEY WERE MAKING THAT MUCH PER HOUR?

Actually, by jailing over 1,000,000 more people per capita than any 
other country in the world, THE UNITED STATES HIDES OVER 1% of its 
unemployment problem.  

YES,  HIDING THESE UNEMPLOYED IN JAILS IS POLITICALLY A GAME.  That WE 
Taxpayer pay 60 BILLION dollar a year for AND GET NOTHING IN RETURN.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE ON OUR ECONOMY IF THESE 1 
MILLION PEOPLE HAD $35,000 A YEAR JOBS.  IT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST BOOM IN 
OUR ECONOMY IN 30 YEARS!!!

Ryan,  know anything about Macroeconomic theory.  THis issue of hiding 
the unemployed is also discussed in text books on this subject.  


AS FOR NATIONAL HEALTH CARE again being a PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERT, I am 
fully informed in this area.  

Are you aware that the United States spends 4 times as much per capita 
on health AS ALL OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRIES   AND HERE IS THE 
IMPORTANT FACT  -  WE DO NOT LIVE ANY LONGER AND WE ARE NOT ANY 
HEALTHIER.   IN FACT, WE HAVE MORE HEART DISEASE, CANCER AND DIABETES.  

The latest study on the Height of the US children compared to European 
children has shown a very alarming trend.  US children, for the FIRST 
time in over 200 years, are SHORTER than their parents.   A very scary 
and worrisome public health trend.  On the other hand,  the average 
height of children in Europe is still greater than their parents.  The 
main difference is the terrible american diet  that our kids consume.   
What does this mean for the future of our children.?  Most likely more 
disease and a shorter life span.

Even though the US spends 4 times as much money per person, the health 
care system does not cover some 40,000,000 americans.   So overall the 
actual dollars spent per insured american is even higher.  What this 
means is that the profit made under the current health care system is so 
great, that it is very unlikely the US will ever have national health 
care.  

Here are some facts you should consider.   In countries that have 
national health care, they have establish treatment for each disease 
that are scientifically proven to cure those diseases.    A review of 
the US health delivery last year, showed that only 30% of the time do 
people in the US get the proper treatment for there disease. 70% of the 
time the doctor gives the wrong treatment and actually make the patient 
sicker requiring more medical expenses. (there was wall Street Journal 
article on this) .

Here is another economic fact on the US health care system.  25% of US 
health care dollars are spent on paper work. processed by insurance 
companies and then more papers to patients for stuff that was not 
covered and then more papers for doctors to fill out and more papers for 
druggist to fill out etc. etc.   YES 25% of health care dollars are just 
wasted on pushing papers.  

LASTLY,  EVER WORKED FOR A PHARMACEUTICAL OR MEDICAL DEVICE COMPANY? 
 EVER SERVED ON ANY HEALTH CARE COMMITTEES IN WASHINGTON .  I HAVE.

Why does the US spend so much on drugs.?  HERE IS HOW IT WORKS.  Each 
drug company has a sales person that works a specific territory.  the 
average salary of the drug sales people is $200,000 per year.   In 
addition, drug companies spend millions of dollars on free seminars and 
trips for doctor that add 15% to the cost of all drugs.
Adding the sales people salaries to the free trips and benies for doctor 
adds almost 40% to the cost of every pill.

Here is how is works under national health care.  THere is a 
governmental body known as a national formulary.  The national formulary 
meets with the drug companies and asks what drugs do you have that are 
proven to work for a specific disease.  They then purchase those drugs 
for those diseases and make the drugs available to doctors under the 
standard treatment protocols.  NO SALES COST.  NO FREE TRIPS A savings 
of 40%.  There is even a bigger cost saving because of the bulk purchase 
agreement.

Now the really scary part of the US health care system. !!!   Over 60% 
of prescribed drugs in the US are for "off label use".  (See WSJ 
article).  What does this mean?
It means doctors in the US are free to prescribe drugs for uses THAT ARE 
NOT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN TO DO ANY GOOD WHAT SO EVER.  In many cases 
these "off label" prescription cause adverse reactions and kill people. 
 IT is estimated that 80,000 people die in the US per year from adverse 
reactions and improper drug prescriptions.

So RYAN, I would suggest you do some REAL HARD CORE RESEARCH AND EDUCATE 
YOURSELF on the true medical facts that PUBLIC HEALTH PROFESSIONALS know 
in this country.

NOT RIGHT WING, NOT LEFT WING,  JUST INFORMED AS TO THE REAL FACTS.

Bob,  PhD, MPH, PE, CSP, CIH,

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