content22207 wrote: OK: you've got terms correct (don't take it personally -- many people don't) but are incorrect on spark. Try it on your DeLo: time at 6-8 degrees and see what happens... Bill Robertson #5939 ----- You get cack all power. I've watched Darren tune up a car retarding the ignition back to 6 degrees because it was knocking. I am not making this up. Read www.pumaracing.co.uk and learn about how the spark actually timed. Timing advance is the time before the piston reaches the top of its stroke that the spark goes off. Too much advance and the fuel will combust too quickly trying to push the piston back down before it reaches the top. Retard the spark, ie reduce the advance and the spark will go off when the piston is nearer the top of the stroke allowing full combustion to occur after TDC. Bill. I'm right. Buggerit - here's some text for you. http://www.sdsefi.com/techcomb.htm And now, Taken wholly from www.pumaracing.co.uk full credit to Dave Baker Ignition Timing It takes one or two milliseconds from the time the spark occurs until all the fuel/air mixture in the cylinder is fully alight and expanding. The spark plugs therefore need to be fired a little while before the piston reaches Top Dead Centre so as to get the fuel mixture burning at the right time to push the piston down and generate power. When measured in crank degrees rather than seconds this time delay is called ignition advance. The perfect time to trigger the spark depends again on engine speed and throttle position. Cars used to use a mechanical distributor to set the spark timing. Nowadays it is normally done by the ECU in a similar way to how the fuel mixture is controlled. The ECU stores another map on its chip of how much ignition advance is required which operates just like the fueling map. Copyright David Baker and Puma Race Engines The amount of ignition advance required depends on the engine design. Average figures would be between about 10 crank degrees at idle to about 30 degrees at peak rpm. The required advance usually increases with rpm up to about 3,000 to 4,000 rpm and then stays fairly constant. It also needs to increase at low throttle openings and reduce again at full throttle. If the spark is fired too early (over advanced) then the mixture starts to burn too soon and tries to push the piston backwards down the way it came before it reaches TDC - very bad for power and a major cause of engine damage. If the spark is fired too late (retarded) the piston has already gone part of the way down the bore on the power stroke before the mixture is alight and much of the effectiveness of the energy released is lost. If I had £1 for every person who thinks that more ignition advance is a good thing in its own right I'd be a rich man. Like most other things, more advance is only good if there isn't enough to start with. Excessive advance is just as detrimental to power output as insufficient advance but it's also potentially much more harmful to the engine. In fact the better the engine design the less advance is required and other things being equal, an engine that requires less advance will produce more power. Copyright David Baker and Puma Race Engines ------- Martin > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.4074964.5287182.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170512 6215:HM/A=1732163/R=0/SIG=11n0nglqg/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code= 30510&media=zone> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.4074964.5287182.1261774/D=egroupm ail/S=:HM/A=1732163/rand=781943923> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DMCForum-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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