OK I finally have a few min... 1. Pull them out of the car and scrap as much of the old material and glue off as possible without messing up the cardboard. 2. Wipe down with Acetone. 3. Coat with fiberglass resign and allow to cure (OPTIONAL) 4. If they are very floppy add 1 thin layer of fiberglass cloth and resign 5. Glue new headliner material on using 3M super 77 spray adhesive. 3M Id : 62-4437-4930-4 GTIN(UPC/EAN) : 0 00 21200 96315 5 If you are in Cali good luck finding this stuff or anything good, it is a low VOC but not low enough for Cali airboard... The trim adhesive that walt mentions is also good, but 77 is better. I have built several prototype boats now using this stuff and it holds up great. I also used it on the headliner in my D, and Z and have never had a problem, even after the t-tops leaked and soaked the headliner in the Z. Andrei ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Coe" <Whalt@xxxxxxx> To: "DMCForum" <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [DMCForum] head liner > I used spray glue and it fell back > down. I then tried double faced tape and it still fell down. What > else is out there to keep the liner on that cardboard type > material? You used double faced tape? Man you were desperate. Stay away from the power stapler! Actually.... well, I have stapled a few sagging headliners before. Just like Rich & Dave are saying, there are two varieties of 3M spray adhesive. The good one is 3M Super Trim Adhesive Part # 051135-08090. The crap one comes almost identically packaged except it is called "3M General Trim Adhesive". They are easy to confuse. Through the ages I have had very poor luck with using cheap spray adhesives. Leave the car out in the hot sun for a few hours and everything comes loose. The better contact spray adhesives aren't available in spray cans. You have to use your own gun & compressor. The main difference between the cheap adhesives and the good adhesives are that the cheap ones tend to stay oily & sticky. The good adhesives totally dry out leaving a tough rubber consistency (and clean out a few brain cells and part of the ozone layer.) > Should I use a sealant on the cardboard type stuff and > then try spray glue again? I hope you didn't already muck it up with sticky-gooey adhesive. If you did I suggest trying to clean it off using rags soaked in a solvent. Use something like lacquer thinner that will dry out without leaving an oily residue. I use a wire brush for cleaning off the rotten foam but then it tends to leave a sticky residue anyway. Good contact adhesives will have solvents that can help cut through this and stick. > Is this a problem with anyone elses car? Yep, it's pretty much a problem with any car that uses this type of fabric for the headliner. I get the feeling that the manufacturer builds in a self-destruct date on foam backing. I totally re-did a headliner in an old station wagon only to have it fall down again in two years. It must have been old stock fabric. But it looked fine when I installed it. Walt To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DMCForum-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170512 6215:HM/A=1595056/R=0/SIG=124p07ne0/*http://ashnin.com/clk/muryutaitakenat togyo?YH=3707890&yhad=1595056> Click Here! <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egroupm ail/S=:HM/A=1595056/rand=968619990> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DMCForum-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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