RE: [doc] nitrous delorean?

["Chris Hawes" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I forgot to add this useful link for the engine source used in the Rotary
DeLorean:-
http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg09.htm


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From: doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Chris Hawes
Sent: 27 October 2005 07:42
To: doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [doc] nitrous delorean?

A Chevy converted DeLorean in the States has NOS fitted.  The PRV however is
very well suited for NOS being a V6.
http://photos.noroads.com/dcs2004?id=499 as photographed at Pigeon Forge (I
think more can be found on Tamir's website:-
www.entermyworld.com

NOS
Nitrous Oxide kit (only one to be insured by Adrian Flux). Trevor runs this
company and would be the one to talk to in regard to Top Gear (they did the
Jag that eventually drove off a Destroyer into the North Sea and became the
tomb for Stig MKI.
www.wizardsofnos.com

For re-fills:-
www.nitrousoxidesupplies.co.uk

For DIY NOS:-
http://www.diy-nitrous.fsnet.co.uk/

Rotary powered DeLorean
www.eliseusa.com/rotary.shtml
I emailed the chap that did the conversion (he sold the car a while back
now) and his response is below:-

Re: Rotary DeLorean 28/10/04
Hello Chris,

The 20b engine is a 2.0 Liter, 3-rotor rotary wankel engine, 300HP, and 
297ft-lb of torque at 3000RPM.  It was originally sold in a very large 
heavy car, the eunos  cosmo JC, sold by Mazda in 1990-1996 in Japan and 
Australia.  It resembles the 929.  The miata (mx-5) is known as the "eunos 
roadster" some places.

The Cosmo was available only with an automatic transmission.  Pics are 
available at http://cp_www.tripod.com/rotary/pg09.htm with some more 
specs.  The horsepower figures are 'claimed' at 280hp because that is the 
legal limit for street cars in Japan.  Independent testing found that the 
20b is consistently ~300hp.

Regarding what I'd change if I did it again, I'd probably use the 13b, 
2-rotor.  Parts are MUCH easier to find, and it would fit in the Delorean 
better.  The 20b and the extra gear in the g50 transmission ended up making 
the unit very long, only fitting in the D frame with significant 
modification.  The 5-speed box or the 2 rotor (one rotor and side-housing 
shorter ~6") would make a better fit.  It's also lighter.  They also have 
much less electronics than the 20b, which came in a state-of-the-art luxury 
car in the 90s (read, thousands of wires).

Turbos are often used more than superchargers because they take away less 
power to operate well.  They're also more often used with 
small-displacement engines.  The import engines generally rev to higher 
RPMs, and turbos are more effective/efficient than superchargers at higher 
RPMs.

Adding NOS to your car is probably a reasonable modification that can be 
done without spending the time and money on conversion.  Also, resale value 
on conversions are JUST NOT very good in general, and are horrific with the 
Delorean.  You can pick up a nice "wet" NOS setup for ~$600USD, and you 
could expect a reasonably increase in HP.  You just have to be willing to 
change NOS bottles when they go empty, which is only as fun as you can make
it.

I don't think I'd put the NOS in the trunk though, that seems a little far 
away from the point of use.  I'm not sure if there is a reasonably better 
place to put on though- maybe in the pooka behind the driver seat?  Maybe 
make a hole in the rear pontoon?  Well, I guess it depends on the size of 
the bottle.

Jim

The NOS prices you saw are pretty high, you can look at some systems at
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-
bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgmenbr=361&cgrfnbr=666

Remember, you don't have EFI.   It's mechanical Fuel Injection, and may 
make a difference depending on the setup.
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Steve,
I personally think of NOS like a pay as you go mobile phone, convenient,
cheap initial outlay but extremely high running costs.  If like me you are
planning on keeping your DeLorean for a long time then perhaps an engine
swap could be the better long term solution.  DMC Ltd is offering some mouth
watering alternatives....

Regards,

Chris Hawes
Vin 5255
DOC 138


-----Original Message-----
From: doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
blackaddertoo
Sent: 27 October 2005 01:44
To: doc-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [doc] nitrous delorean?

now i know some might cring! but has anyone ever seen nitrous fitted 
to a delorean.
i am currently working in the valley of death and the thought occured 
to me that jets could be installed in the rubber flexible part of the 
air intake pipes
kits can be bought cheaply, perfectly legal, some insurers are ok.
can be easily removed.
would gains of 25-50 bhp hurt an unmodifed prv engine? aren't these 
capable of upto 180 bhp or so. (ie the single turbo)
contrary to popular blief, nitrous does not neccesarily damage engines
and supplier/installers such as streetblaster 100 guarantee this.
just a thought.

always meant to fit to my skyline but never got round to it!.

Regards

steve






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