[doc] Re: To Turbo or not to Turbo

["mick_kerfoot" <mick_kerfoot@xxxx>]

I think there is an Alpine GTA scrap or repair at Simpsons salvage.
www.simpsonsalvage.com or co.uk.


--- In doc-uk@xxxx, Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@xxxx> wrote:
> I'm no expert here! BUT. I don't like the "mickey mouse" Island 
kit. It does add power, but there are much better ways of
> doing this with greater reliablility. To paraphrase my mate Si: "If 
you can't get at least 100 hp per litre out of it before
> you start, there's no point in adding a turbo".
> 
> The Island kit does run significantly hotter but I think that's 
mostly down to the lack of intercoolers (engine gets hot air
> all the time).
> 
> Strange as it may seem, the Diesel Centre have more experience with 
turbos than most as more than half of diesel cars these
> days are turbocharged.
> 
> You said "One turbo is cheaper and with space at a premium I'd 
guess that's why there are more of these applications".
> Remember with a twin setup each blower can be half the size.
> 
> I think we all need to meet up with Si - I sent him the link off 
the DML today of the rotary engined D. As he's a fan of older
> Jap cars he liked it a lot, and started muttering about getting a D 
with a view to dropping a "decent" engine into it.
> 
> FWIW his Skyline has a single turbocharged 2 litre strait 6. It has 
a garrett T4 blower which boosts to up to 24psi generating
> in excess of 400bhp. Here's a piccy of the einge bay. See how big 
that turbo is?!
> 
> www.cix.co.uk/~mgutkowski/engine.jpg
> 
> I want this car!
> 
> Martin
> 
> funkymcfly wrote:
> 
> > > So the next Idea was and after market Turbo. After all
> > > the conversation going on around this subject, I am
> > > really starting to get fired up to do this.
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > My daily drive is a Calibra Turbo. I've owned two. They both came 
out of th=
> >
> > e factory turbo'd... and both had problems. As do Skyline's and 
Scooby's and=
> >
> > any other turbo'd car.. and they were DESIGNED to take em... the 
Delorean w=
> >
> > as not.. and yes, I'm well aware of twin turbo's!
> >
> > Right. Any turbo application, being it a Ford Fiesta or a 
DeLorean is gonna=
> >
> > cost more than £3k if you let a company do it for you (say, 
Turbo Technics.=
> >
> > ..). If you do it yourself you're better off buying another 
Delorean ... ano=
> >
> > ther project car perhaps.
> >
> > Things to bear in mind...
> >
> > Single turbo.. no. Twin, yes. The Delorean has two manafolds and 
the piping=
> >
> > is much simpler and efficient in this setup (again, Rich and 
Martin know th=
> >
> > is). Get the turbo as close to the manifold as possible.. less 
spooling up t=
> >
> > ime, less lag. Easy eh.
> > (One turbo is cheaper and with space at a premium I'd guess 
that's why ther=
> >
> > e are more of these applications)
> >
> > The stock engine won't take more than 6PSI for long periods (so 
I'm told)..=
> >
> > my Calibra boosts at 9 and peeks at 16PSI and that's stock...
> > So you aren't really looking at huge power hikes without huge 
internal work=
> >
> > ... 175Bhp? (US spec?)
> > You could get more from porting/polishing/exhaust etc and it'd be 
reliable.=
> >
> > You'd be better off getting a wrecked Renault Alpine GTA Turbo or 
A610 (gol=
> >
> > d dust) and doing an engine swap... same engine but ENGINEERED to 
take the t=
> >
> > urbo - plus well over 250Bhp and will probably drop (nearly) 
straight in. I'=
> >
> > ve looked at a couple and look the same as ours.
> >
> > Most of that is opinion.. Martin and Rich know quite a bit more 
about the t=
> >
> > win turbo setup than I do... as does the Diesel centre I'd 
imagine!
> >
> > That said (only opinion!).. if there was a safe, well put 
together applicat=
> >
> > ion for the Delorean I'd be interested but... other than the 
Island kit I do=
> >
> > n't know of one.
> >
> > Speak to a turbo specialist (generally) for a better idea of what 
to expect=
> >
> > .
> >
> > One other thing is to get hold of a turbo'd car, drive it hard, 
stop, open =
> >
> > the bonnet and look at the glowing manifold and wonder if you'd 
want that in=
> >
> > your Delorean engine bay.
> >
> > Rich... what is yours like? Any heat problems?
> >
> > Dan (opinion.. opinion.. opinion!)
> > Vin#5284 - Hana