From: eGroups Digest [dmcnews@egroups.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 1999 6:20 AM To: David.Swingle Subject: dmcnews digest eGroups Daily Digest: dmcnews has 9 new messages. Click here http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=747 to read them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 747. Harvey Seigel [DML] "I read the whole thing and I promise to tr 748. DMC Joe [DML] Re: Door seals 749. The Raven [DML] Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise 750. magriese@us.ibm.com [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise 751. Marc A Levy [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise 752. Michel Poulin [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise 753. Marc A Levy [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise 754. Michel Poulin [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise 755. Ben Krasnow [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 747 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=747 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:44:00 -0500 From: Harvey Seigel In-Reply-To: <19990512010703.CPPB3879@[12.72.34.21]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] "I read the whole thing and I promise to try and follow it's suggestions." Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really James? thanks Jay Seigel 12852 Wenlock Dr. St.Louis Mo. 63146-3724 if so; if not thanks for the time & effort put into this list. Jay > >Did you make it this far? If you did, send me an email with the text: > >"I read the whole thing and I promise to try and follow it's suggestions." > >along with your mailing address and I will dig up something DeLorean >related out of my desk to send to you. > >James ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 748 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=748 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:05:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Door seals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Luke, This is a very common problem, you will find that most DeLorean door seals ar torn in this area. As Rob indicated grinding the fiberglass in that area is one solution. Here are two other fixes. Spray silicone spray in that area, if the door will open and close easily than the seal may compress over time. You will have to spray the silicone on a regular basis. If that doesn't work, with a sharp razor, shave the excess rubber from that section of the seal. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- > From: Luke.Sandel@cmich.edu > To: dmcnews@eGroups.com > Subject: [DML] Door seals > Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 12:02 PM > > I recently purchased a set of new inner door seals from PJ Grady, and after spending an hour putting them on, I couldn't get the doors to close properly. First, they wouldn't even close half-way, and after readjusting them a bit, the doors would close fully, but only after applying massive amounts of force. I let them sit for awhile, hoping that they just needed to settle in, but that didn't work. > I called Gradys, and they said that they have a procedure for grinding down the edge that the seal mounts onto, but I would have to talk to Rob about it. I've called back a few times but Rob has been to busy to explain the procedure. So... could anybody else shed a little insight into this procedure? Or are there any other hints for getting this to work? > > TIA, > Luke > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 749 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=749 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "The Raven" References: <001d01be9bc1$acf0acc0$a1530a3f@MSN/mdrig> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:54:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, here's a new one for me =) The other day I turned on my air conditioner and I heard a faint clicking noise coming from the engine compartment. It stopped as soon as I turned the air off. I haven't had a chance to investigate yet, but before I get in there any ideas? Sam 5616 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 750 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=750 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: magriese@us.ibm.com Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:31:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably the clutch on the air conditioner compressor. A sound can also be heard in the relay compartment behind the passenger seat. If the clicking is occuring every 3 seconds or so, you should have your freon level checked. Mike Griese Storage Software Development Manager IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901 Internet: magriese@us.ibm.com voice: (507)253-1853 fax: (507)253-2880 "The Raven" on 05/26/99 11:54:10 PM Please respond to dmcnews@egroups.com To: dmcnews@egroups.com cc: (bcc: Mike Griese/Rochester/IBM) Subject: [DML] Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Ok, here's a new one for me =) The other day I turned on my air conditioner and I heard a faint clicking noise coming from the engine compartment. It stopped as soon as I turned the air off. I haven't had a chance to investigate yet, but before I get in there any ideas? Sam 5616 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Make the News Come to you! FREE email newsletters sent directly to your in-box USAToday, Forbes, Wired, and more. Sign-up NOW! http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/316 eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 751 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=751 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:35:17 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001d01be9bc1$acf0acc0$a1530a3f@MSN/mdrig> <016d01bea7fc$f9664960$33960318@CC986168A> Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be the Clutch on the AC compressor. If it is cycles too often, you probably need a freon charge. The Raven wrote: > > Ok, here's a new one for me =) The other day I turned on my air conditioner > and I heard a faint clicking noise coming from the engine compartment. It > stopped as soon as I turned the air off. I haven't had a chance to > investigate yet, but before I get in there any ideas? > > Sam > 5616 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 752 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=752 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:30:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Poulin In-Reply-To: <374D3C05.B763FADD@dnrc.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a side note: If you have to re-charge your freon, look into the new Enviro-friendly alternitive. I don't recall the name, but your local auto-parts supply place should have all the details and equipment you need. It's cheaper then the old bad stuff and you don't need a license to handel the new stuff. BUT You do need a license to empty the OLD stuff. But if you have to get it recharged anyways, then you'd have to go to a licensed shop to get the work done anyways. Enjoy! -=mike=- restoring VIN# 702 *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | http://www.poulincomm.com | | http://www.WWJP.com | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* On Thu, 27 May 1999, Marc A Levy wrote: > That would be the Clutch on the AC compressor. > > If it is cycles too often, you probably need a freon charge. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 753 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=753 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:30:43 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to get in to a long thread on this, but this is really a matter of opinion. I think it may be covered well in the back issues. R-12 has actually dropped in price over the years. My local pep boys sells a 12oz can for about $10.00 (You need a license to buy it). The most common conversion is to R-134a. The R-134a does cost a bit less than the R-12, and SOME will argue that it is safer for the ozone. If R-12 is handled properly and the AC system is kept in good repair, then there is no ozone issue. R-134a runs about 70% higher pressure than R-12, so it is required that all of the O ring seals are replaced. The compressor was not designed for this higher pressure, so your 17 year old compressor may also not be too happy with the R134-a. Also know that R-134a does not get as cold as R-12, and for those of us who have been in the DMC on a hot day know the cooler the better! For a proper conversion, the system must be well flushed. If you simply remove the R-12, replace the seals, and recharge you will be replacing the compressor within a year. This is due to the mineral oil that is used with R-12. When R-134a mixes with the oil, it turns to a sludge that will clog the orifice and dryer. R-134a is great for a car that was designed for it. The DeLorean was not. Stick with R-12. There are other alternatives that claim to be R-12 direct replacements but be careful of them. Many contain propane which works great as a R-12 replacement, but if you have a small leak in the AC system it can explode and be a funeral for a DMC owner, and no one wants that to happen. Also be careful of buying R-12 from sources that are unknown, because very often it is a R-12/Propane blend. Again, the Propane can explode. DO NOT USE ANY PRODUCT WITH PROPANE (or the likes of) IN IT! There are some other "snake oil" types of replacement, but I have never met someone who actually tried it. I have also never seen any unbiased test results.. (But, I have not looked that hard... R-12 works, why change?) All IMHO, I am dont claim to be a expert, and dont even play one on TV. Marc Michel Poulin wrote: > > As a side note: If you have to re-charge your freon, look into the new > Enviro-friendly alternitive. I don't recall the name, but your local > auto-parts supply place should have all the details and equipment you > need. It's cheaper then the old bad stuff and you don't need a license to > handel the new stuff. BUT You do need a license to empty the OLD stuff. > But if you have to get it recharged anyways, then you'd have to go to a > licensed shop to get the work done anyways. > Enjoy! > -=mike=- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 754 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=754 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:24:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Poulin In-Reply-To: <374D6523.4D49C7CC@dnrc.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, thanks for your input. I'm thinking of replacing the AC clutch on my 85 van (It's dead). I was talking to my local Auto-Zone manager and he's the one that told me about the R-134a. His price was considerably less for the R-134a then the R-12. I asked if I would have to replace any other parts in the system, he told me I would only have to drain the old system, and refill w/ R-134a. I'm glad that this issue came up here as I'm sure he wouldn't mind me comeing back in a year for another A/C compressor. His ignorance would effect my pocket book greatly. I guess it all comes back to.... Talk to your FRIENDLY DMC mechanic when you want it done right... even if the job is on another vehicle! ;) Again, thanks, you saved me a bunch of money, and possibly some other DMC owners. I'm sorry for sugesting the R-134a -=mike=- restoring VIN #702 *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* | http://www.poulincomm.com | | http://www.WWJP.com | *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* On Thu, 27 May 1999, Marc A Levy wrote: > Not to get in to a long thread on this, but this is really a matter of > opinion. I think it may be covered well in the back issues. > The most common conversion is to R-134a. > R-134a runs about 70% higher pressure than R-12, so it is required that > all of the O ring seals are replaced. The compressor was not designed > for this higher pressure, so your 17 year old compressor may also not be > too happy with the R134-a. Also know that R-134a does not get as cold > as R-12, and for those of us who have been in the DMC on a hot day know > the cooler the better! > > For a proper conversion, the system must be well flushed. If you simply > remove the R-12, replace the seals, and recharge you will be replacing > the compressor within a year. This is due to the mineral oil that is > used with R-12. When R-134a mixes with the oil, it turns to a sludge > that will clog the orifice and dryer. > > R-134a is great for a car that was designed for it. The DeLorean was > not. Stick with R-12. > .... R-12 works, why change?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 755 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=755 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:56:36 -0700 From: Ben Krasnow MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually most R134a Conversions only require the oil to be changed. I am pretty sure that it runs at similar pressures as the R-12. A basic conversion kit consists of the new oil, different fittings (for filling and draining the system), and a few pounds of R134a. Also, the performance difference between R134a and R-12 is very small. Remember that all new cars use 134a, and their A/C can be very cold. Really, the difference is only a couple degrees F, and r-134 is MUCH safer for the ozone layer. Don't knock R-134a until you try it (or in someone else's car). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- View the full archives, subscribe/unsubscribe, use the group calendar at http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews Manage your subscriptions at http://eGroups.com Free e-mail groups by eGroups.com. 
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