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432. Marc A Levy               [DML] Factory Painted DeLoreans...
433. Mike Substelny            [DML] DML: Original Headlight Bulbs/ Front Licens
434. Mike Substelny            [DML] DML: Painting at Factory?
435. magriese@us.ibm.com       [DML] Re: Tool kit/jack
436. t.mickel@worldnet.att.net [DML] Trying to buy Delorean have questions.
437. Michel Poulin             [DML] Re: Bricklin International Meet - East
438. Irvin Perline             [DML] Delorean for sale
439. Yocom, Shannon            [DML] Videos of Cinn.
440. magriese@us.ibm.com       [DML] Re: Front License Plate bracket
441. Montgomery, Ken           [DML] Re: Front License Plate
442. JEEPSTERJL@aol.com        [DML] emergency brake
443. Dick Ryan                 [DML] Re: Front License Plate
444. Montgomery, Ken           [DML] Re: Front end coil spring trouble
445. Russell Hughes            [DML] Re: Front License Plate
446. Delorean17@aol.com        [DML] A tipped DeLorean
447. DeLorean31@aol.com        [DML] Re: Trying to buy Delorean have questions.
448. KayoOng@aol.com           [DML] Re: HEADLIGHTS/LICENSE PLATE
449. KayoOng@aol.com           [DML] Re: Painted DeLoreans...
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The Fender that was in Ohio last year, that was supposed to be the
"factory test" for paint colors on the stainless was interesting.  It
looked more like a stain, where you could still see the Stainless grain
under the paint.

It would be my guess that the **Proper** pain procedure would look like
this.


dmcnews@hotmail.com wrote:

>   P.S. Be watching for a post I will soon be posting on How to **Properly** paint a DeLorean. My post will be coming from the people who wanted to paint DeLoreans for DMC.

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I am confident that the Sylvania Halogen lights were the standard
factory headlights for all DeLoreans.  I believe that Sylvania actually
advertised this fact in magazine ads (as mentioned in Stainless Steel
Illusion).  Also, at the Columbus warehouse I saw a large stock of
never-used Sylvania halogen lights in the factory stock.

As far as I know everyone who has mounted a front license plate (myself
included) has drilled holes somewhere in their front fascia.

- Mike Substelny


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I also want to get in one comment before this thread dies.

If you have ever visited a car plant, you will know that painting is a
big, complex operation.  It takes a large facility and a lot of
equipment to apply paint to cars and dry it properly.  Part of the
genius of JZD's plan was that almost no paint was needed on DeLoreans,
so a very large expense was saved.

I know the DMC factory experimented with painting and tinting parts of
some body panels, and I can imagine that perhaps they would commission a
private paint shop to paint a whole car or two.  But I seriously doubt
that they would have ever painted a DeLorean at the DMC factory.  It
would not make sense.

- Mike Substelny


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Fil wrote

>I finally got around to taking my jack out of it's compartment
for the first time and realized that I only have the jack part,
not the crank that makes it go up and down. What exactly came
with the car in the "tool kit"? Where can I find a handle? Is
there an aftermarket jack kit available that would work and fit
into the space behind the grill?<

Fil - send me your e-mail address.  I may be able to help you out.

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I have been looking for a Delorean for quite a while and have been limiting my search to Florida.

The most recent one that I have looked at has some of the following problems:
1) needs new dashboard
2) carpets in good shape but faded
3) leather stickshift cover in pieces
4) driver side window motor very grindy sounding
5) small "nipple" dent in passenger side rear panel - what would force the metal out?
6) driver side door won't raise all the way
7) owner said that all transmission fluid had leaked out just before I had arrived. He said that he found a cracked hose and replaced hose and fluid.
8) most rubber needs replacing but no sign of doors leaking.

On the positive side:
1) except for the small dent mentioned above the rest of the body is perfect
2) seats are new
3) engine looks O.K. - no signs of any fluid leaks
4) car idles nicely and air conditioning is better than in my BMW
5) car drives nicely and is quite peppy - no sign of transmission problems
6) headliner perfect
7) no "obvious" sign of any rust on underside or muffler
8) all documents available and is almost a 1 owner car
9) new nice tires all around

Asking is $16,500 but negotiable.

I have gotten an opinion from one Delorean owner but would like some more feedback on how this deal sounds.

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DeLorean VIN# 702 is planing on going to this event. We're leaving
indianapolis, Indiana on Friday night or Saturday early morning. Would
anyone wish to join us on the road?
  let me know
 Thanks!
 -=mike=-

ps. entire letter included for the DeLorean Newsletter sake, incase
some more DeLorean owners would like to attend.
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On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Michael Mitchell wrote:

> Jim Wajda sent out a copy of the BOOM's Phoenix (Bricklin Owners Of Michigan
> newsletter), and asked me pass on the following for your information and for
> use on the website (Ron, John & Scott - you listening? ;) ). Obviously,
> BOOM's members and those of us fortunate enough to be on Jim's mailing list
> got the information, but this is for those that didn't.
> 
> The meet officially opens at 8 PM, Wednesday, July 21st at the Bricklin
> Hospitality suite in the Ramada Hotel in LaPorte, Indiana. The Ramada will
> have set aside a parking area for the Bricklins, so please park in this
> area. In the hospitality suite, you will find a bar and Bricklinalia table
> full of Bricklin merchandise. If you haven't pre-registered (highly
> recommended!), you will also be able to do so at that time. Those that have
> pre-registered can check-in, and also obtain an updated schedule of events.
> Raffle or auction items you have donated may be left at the hospitality
> suite upon your arrival. Since this is mid week, roughly ten Bricklins are
> expected on the first day, primarily made up of core members and directors
> of the club. Everyone is welcome!
> 
> Activities continue on Thursday, Friday & Saturday. You can go on as many or
> as few events as you would like. Every night we will come back to the
> hospitality suite for a big get-together and the raffle. The club sells
> raffle tickets and will raffle off gag gifts and trinkets donated by club
> members. The more expensive donations will be auctioned off on Saturday
> night at the awards banquet.
> 
> Terry Tanner is this year's banquet guest speaker. For those of you who
> don't know Terry Tanner, you should! He is the Bricklin Guru who was once an
> engineer with General Vehicle and is the Grandfather of the Bricklin. Terry
> runs a Bricklin repair shop in Bedford, VA. If you would like to talk with
> him about a persistent problem with your Bricklin, or just want some more
> information about the Bricklin, he will be there to answer any questions.
> 
> Bob Hoffman, who runs 'The Brickyard' in Michigan, will also be there to
> walk you through problem areas, or offer solutions to your problems. He is
> very friendly and very knowledgeable. Just grab him and start talking. His
> shop is located in Brighton, MI., and services Bricklins by appointment
> year-round.
> 
> A number of people have indicated that they were interested in the Bricklin,
> and perhaps ready to purchase a car. Some are planning to come to the meet
> to gather information on the car. For those of you looking for a Bricklin to
> purchase, there may be some for sale at the show on Saturday. If not - Terry
> and Bob certainly have cars in various stages of repair for sale. If you are
> interested in a specific car for sale -- make sure that you are around the
> car while it is being judged on Saturday. The Judges will certainly give you
> an honest opinion on price and condition. 
> 
> The drag racing event last year was a great success. We hope for a bigger
> turnout of cars this year. Most owners were on the sidelines watching the
> races. It was a great experience. The AM General Hummer factory is another
> 'can't miss' event. The factory has opened its doors for our group to see
> the assembly of Hummers for civilian and military uses. Many of the ladies
> in Bricklin International expressed an interest to go to a casino -- ask and
> you shall receive! -- we have a trip planned to the Blue Chip Casino. We
> also have a trip planned to the Studebaker museum in Southbend Indiana. This
> is a rather large museum with some great exhibits.
> 
> On Saturday, we have a very special car show planned. It is at the Door
> Prarie Auto Museum in LaPorte. We will hold the show in front of the Museum
> and the club will provide a Pizza lunch in the Museum. The Museum features
> over 50 cars -- including a Bricklin! This is sure to be one of the finest
> and exciting shows that Bricklin International has ever presented. Make sure
> you are a part of the excitement!!
> 
> So get ready -- because we have a lot of activities planned -- and everyone
> should have a great time. Make reservations now, because they probably won't
> be available in July.
> 
> 1999 Bricklin International Eastern Meet Schedule
> 
> Wednesday, July 21
> 8 PM - Hospitality Suite - Official meet opening
> 
> Thursday, July 22
> 10 AM Sharp! - Leave the parking lot for the Hummer factory tour in
> Mishawaka, Indiana
> 12 PM - Lunch at local restaurant after factory tour
>  2 PM - Caravan to Studebaker National Museum, located at 525 South Main
> St., Southbend. $ 4.00 entrance fee for adults. Return to hotel after tour.
>  8 PM - Hospitality Suite and raffle
> 
> Friday, July 23
> 10 AM Sharp! - Road Rally Begins - Bring pencil or pen!! Rally ends at the
> Blue Chip Casino located at 2 Easy Street, Michigan City, Indiana (Good Luck
> to all!)
>  5 PM - Drag Racing at Osceola Dragway (219) 674-8400. Bricklin Eliminators
> Dial-In competition will begin at 6 PM. There will be a $ 20.00 entrance fee
> per car. Make sure you wear long pants -- helmets are NOT required. Trophies
> and prize money will be awarded
>  9 PM - Hospitality Suite and raffle
> 
> Saturday, July 24
>  9 to 10 AM - Cars arrive for Concourse at the Door Prarie Auto Museum -
> 2405 Indiana Ave., LaPorte Indiana (10 minutes from Ramada). The Car Show
> will be in front of the Museum. Museum admission is $ 2.50.
> 10 AM - Car show Judging begins
> 12 PM - Pizza Lunch provided by Bricklin International (in Museum).
>  3 PM - Board of Directors meeting
>  6 PM - Banquet Doors open - Cocktails (cash bar)
>  7 PM - Food served
>  8 PM - Guest Speaker - Terry Tanner. Raffle and Auction to follow
> End Evening - 'Good-byes' in Hospitality Suite
> 
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Must sell my 1981 Delorean, speed.  Only 11 K miles.  Excellent condition.
$19.9K .


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To all, 
  My friend and I did the shooting and we can make a couple of coppies for
people to pass around and copy for free. 

No one responded to a previous post about us getting more footage to
actually edit around and mix in music. We don't have enough footage to do a
bang up job so the tape will be just how we shot it.

Shannon 
VIN# Not Yet

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> From: 	CancerMan
> Reply To: 	dmcnews@egroups.com
> Sent: 	Monday, May 10, 1999 11:00 AM
> To: 	dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: 	[DML] Re: Cleveland.....
> 
> Im sure the Cleveland show will be just as big of a success as the
> Cincinnati
> show was. I have a question about last years show. During the show I was
> told
> that videos would be made (of the competition and the convoy to the
> warehouse). I
> remember the camera men doing some crazy things (hanging out the back of
> moving
> cars etc). I would like a copy of these videos. If anyone knows where i
> could
> obtain a video, please message me. I know a lot of other people who would
> be
> interested also.
> 
> Jeremy Delaney
> 


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DeLorean One sells a stainless front license plate bracket that uses
extisting holes in the lower air dam portion of the front fascia.  There
also was a factory solution.  I have the DeLorean One bracket on my
car and it fits well and has not damaged the front bumper after
6 years of use.

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  You don't have to drill holes to mount a front plate. There are a
number of screws under the front bumper that can be used to attach a
bracket that will hold a license plate up in front of the bumber (You
don't want to mount the license plate in front of the radiator). I have
one of these on my car. I don't remember who made them, but I recall
seeing an ad for them in DeLorean World and you should also be able to
find it in the DML archives. See my web site for pictures of how it
looks. 

<snip>
> 
> As far as I know everyone who has mounted a front license 
> plate (myself included) has drilled holes somewhere in their front
> fascia.
> 
> - Mike Substelny
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Both cables have come off the parking brake handle.  Does not appear to be 
any particular reason for the cables to have come off - cable ends intact, no 
apparent deformation of the latch slot and hole etcetera.

Cables are free and actuate the rear calipers.  Anything that one should be 
aware of???


It looks like the best way to put back on would be to remove the handle 
assembly, then unfasten the mounting bracket.  With the real wheels off, 
remove tension at both rear calipers and then just slip the cables within the 
slots and put back together.


Any advice other than the above or is that the?best? way?  Any shortcuts.?

Jeff father of David

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I had one of the DeLorean One stainless steel license plate holders on my
previous D.  I have one on my present D which came from PJ Grady.  They are
almost identical, but I prefer the PJ Grady one because it is a flat black
and is essentially invisible.

These holders place the plate right in the middle of the front bumper and
actually look quite nice with no holes to drill.

When I go to car shows, I replace my front plate with a "DMC" plate.  Looks
great.

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This is really not the kind of job you should do at home, or alone. If
you want to see a detailed breakdown on how to remove and repair every
part of the front suspension, take a look at the back issues of the
DeLorean Club of Oregon newsletter (in Acrobat format) at
http://www.dmcnews.com/faq/deco.htm. The series of articles starts with
issue 13. I ended up having to do something quite different to remove
the springs. At the Midas shop I conned into doing this, we used a
spring compressor tool that fit inside the spring. The bottom of the
tool was hooked to the lower arm and the spring was compressed onto the
lower arm. Then we removed the lower arm from the car, released the
spring, put the new spring on the arm and reversed the procedure. We
could find no way to compress the springs from the outside. The
compressor tools the shop had would not fit into such a small space with
so many obstructions.

After you change the springs, get the car aligned. There is no camber
adjustments but the caster will change with the new lowered
position of the car. This is all a lot of work and the springs are not
cheap but the results are well worth it.The car 'looks' right,
visibility
improves and so does the overall handling.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonthan Lazar [mailto:jlazar6447@email.msn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 2:31 PM
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Front end coil spring trouble
> 
> 
> Does anyone know how to reinstall the front coil spring on 
> the DeLorean?  I
> had to remove the spring because I am in the process of performing a
> complete restoration of the car.  My problem is that I can 
> not compress the
> spring enough to get it to fit in between the shock tower and 
> the lower
> control arm.
> 
> Another question:  Does anyone know where I can get a 
> DeLorean sports bra
> for the front end?  I mean the one that actually has DMC 
> embroidered in the
> middle of the bra?
> 
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jonathan Lazar

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Sacramento, CA		'OUTTIME'	Home  : (916) 944-3252
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:23:44 +0100
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I'm just using cheap self-adhesive pads to hold my front license plate
on, and they hold it there fine!  Hot water removes any trace of them,
should you need to remove your plate.  I got 'em form Halfords (UK), but
I'm sure every motor shop in the world must have them!?

Far less hassle than having to find plate holders or (wince!) drill any
holes.

That seems a bit too obvious and I've a growing feeling that I've missed
the point.  Sorry! 

I'll get my coat ;o)

Rusk


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Montgomery, Ken [SMTP:kenm@csus.edu]
> Sent:	Monday, May 10, 1999 7:06 PM
> To:	'dmcnews@egroups.com'
> Subject:	[DML] Re: Front License Plate
> 
>   You don't have to drill holes to mount a front plate. There are a
> number of screws under the front bumper that can be used to attach a
> bracket that will hold a license plate up in front of the bumber (You
> don't want to mount the license plate in front of the radiator). I
> have
> one of these on my car. I don't remember who made them, but I recall
> seeing an ad for them in DeLorean World and you should also be able to
> find it in the DML archives. See my web site for pictures of how it
> looks. 
> 
> <snip>
> > 
> > As far as I know everyone who has mounted a front license 
> > plate (myself included) has drilled holes somewhere in their front
> > fascia.
> > 
> > - Mike Substelny
> ================================================================
> Ken Montgomery		VIN #10911	Work  : (916) 278-7646
> Sacramento, CA		'OUTTIME'	Home  : (916) 944-3252
> Founder, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club 'NCDMC'
> Please visit my website at:
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hello,
	I recently found a Delorean that was tipped over in grand Rapids 
Michigan.  I saw it at a insurance agency but it doesn't look to good.  The 
hood,both doors, front window, drivers side window etc are wrecked.  I am 
going to go take a closer look at and see if they would possibly sell it.  
What do you think a good price would be?  They might not even sell it.  I 
will try to take a few pictures of it and put them on my site.  My friend saw 
the interior and said that it had a lot of dirt in it from the rollover I 
guess.  I know that a DeLorean was tipped over at Michigan State recently but 
I do not think that this is the same  "D". 

any replys would be greatly appreciated

Dave,
http://delorean.cjb.net

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In a message dated 5/10/99 1:12:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
t.mickel@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< Asking is $16,500 but negotiable.
 
 I have gotten an opinion from one Delorean owner but would like some more 
feedback on how this deal sounds.
 
 Thanks to everyone in advance.
  >>
Well if this helps you out I can offer this advice.  The DeLorean I recently 
bought had an asking price of $16,500 as well.  I actually wound up paying 
$16,000  My DeLorean has 7,500 miles.  The interior is like showroom new,  
The body is perfect except for a ding the size of a pinhead,  And the frame 
and underside are like new.  The car runs great and basically looks almost 
like it is brand new.  I think the DeLorean you are looking at is a little 
high.  Although I think I got a great deal on my D I think you should not 
limit your search to Florida.  I live in NJ and at first had the same 
intention of finding a D in the area but I wound up buying one I found un 
Michigan.  It was WELL worth the trip out to pick it up.  Go to DMC Houston's 
website and get prices on the parts you need such as the dash which is very 
expensive.  Then expect to spend another thousand or two to do the factory 
upgrades and receommended repairs if they havent been done.  I would try to 
stay away from any sun damaged interior D's as they usually wind up costing 
more to restore than a D with a nice interior would have cost you.  Hope this 
helps

Gary Gore
Activities Director 
DeLorean Mid Atlantic
VIN 3360

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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:30:59 EDT
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Don,

Hi, this is Kayo.

I do believe that Sylvania was the DMC factory's issued headlights.

As far as front plates, I suggest that you don't drill the bumper to 
accommodate the plate.  There is no need for the drilling.  Drilling won't 
hold the plate permanently.  It won't stay and ruin the bumper.  What you 
should do is to fabricate a front plate holder bracket, or buy one from the 
DeLorean parts houses, (Rob from PJ Grady has them.  I think for under $40?).

To fabricate one is easy.  It requires cutting to the pattern, three simple 
bends, six holes to be drilled and paint it black.  If you don't have the 
time or facilities to make one  -- buy one.  The material will cost under 
$10. More likely $5.  Or you can get a piece of "scrape" metal.  Just cut, 
bend and drill to shape, paint it black and mount it.  Once mounted you will 
not see it, unless you kneel or lay on the ground.  Total time to fabricate 
one is under one hour.  After the paint dries, mount the bracket and plate 
onto the car will take under 20 minutes.
 
Whether you make or buy one.  Mount the bracket onto the car's front bumpers 
using the four hold down bolts.  Next, mount the front plate onto the bracket 
holder using two license bolts.  Plate should be mounted by the two bottom 
holes. I would not suggest drilling and screwing the other two bolts into the 
bumper that holds the "upper holes" of the plate. (This will defeat the 
purpose of the front plate bracket.)  What you can do, is used double 
mounting tape in between the plates and bumper.  This will be strong enough 
to prevent movement of the plate and it will also make the installation non 
permanent with no damages to the bumper.  You can remove the tape with spirit 
based cleaner, it will not harm the bumper to restore the original looks.

I have mounted my front plate onto my car in a same way, but a different 
position.  I have used the plate holding bracket unit.  I mounted the plate 
by the upper holes of the front plates onto the holes of the bracket, thus 
lowering the plate.  This will not give the front plate any support and it 
will hit and scrape the ground.  What I did do to the bracket to give it 
support, was to bend the bracket's plate base to a "steeper angle."  (You can 
double stick tape the bracket to prevent flopping.  I have silicone glued my 
bracket into place -- more sturdier.)  The plate will have a steeper angle 
when mounted.  This greater rake angle will make the plate streamlined with 
the car's lines and will clear the ground.  Mounting it this way also 
prevents other vehicles from banging into the front plates when they are 
backing up.  No dented or mangle plates.  If you wonder how it looks, just 
ask and I will e-mail you a picture of my car with this setup since the DML 
site can't display photo.

Don, I hope this all helps,

Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic. 9D NY

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To: The DMC Wannabe,

Thank you very for the info of support.  I knew of this but I could not get 
the supporting info.  
There are many "other" frills and options that are not listed with or 
recorded  by the DMC -- for what ever the reasons.
Again, this problem is not only with DMC marque but with many other marques 
as well.  

I have a car with the same controversy, it is not a DMC.  It is from a 
different marque.  Every time I order parts --  guarantee to get the wrong 
parts.  Why?  One must depend on the chassis's serial number.  The 
manufacture quotes info from this serial number.  The Owners' Club of this 
marque, they quote another.  My mechanic who has been employed by the company 
and working with my type of model and the other different models of motorcars 
from this marque has quoted different info on the car.  He works on this 
marque and no other given him total dedication to the cars.  My mechanic is 
more correct and right then the company and the club.  

Anyway the out come????  The answer?  Still the same, no correct answer for 
what ever the reasons of poor or no record keeping.  Authorization was given 
by the company, but the poor record keeping makes it difficult to follow and 
trace all the modifications or options with the cars. 

Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic.  9D  NY

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