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800. dcsj@excite.com [DML] Sun Protection Questions
801. raynet@home.net [DML] D For Sale
802. Mike Cutting [DML] Re: dmcnews digest
803. LovDMC12@aol.com [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions
804. Mike Substelny [DML] Re: DML: Quality Questions
805. BRUCE BENSON [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions
806. rjm@lrbcg.com [DML] Engine will not stay running
807. KayoOng@aol.com [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions
808. Marc A Levy [DML] Custom Delorean Speaker Box.
809. David Swingle [DML] re: Brake Rotors
810. DMC Joe [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions
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Hi Everyone
Well after 3years in my closet, I finaly installed my new dash which I had
picked up at the Ohio/KAPAC gathering Oct 96 (new binnacle included). Now I
want to protect them as best I can (short of driving overcast only days)
I have seen the posts about the dash-mat protector avaliable from Dashmat. I
saw one in a car at Aspen 2 yrs ago. It looks nice an all but I don't really
care for the material they use. It has no apparent backing to speak of and
carpet is fairly porous in density. Too me this is fine for hiding damage
but not so good for protecting against it. Does any one know of another
availiable source that they might consider better? Possibly one that doesn't
have a glove box flap (too me they look tacky) or corners that curl up.
Also at the Nashville Expo I noticed some folks had custom sun shades for
their windshields. One type was external it rolled out flat on the
windshield with excess material that was tucked inside the door openings
then closed to hold in place. I like this the best. The other was a folded
type inside the car made of a silvery material double sided. Does anyone
know if either of these are still avaliable and who to contact.
Thanks in advance
Dennis GULLWNG 5180
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Due to a change in plans beyond my control, it looks like I'm going to be forced to get rid of my D. What can you do... things happen. I would like to see it go to a good home...
Here's the info on it...
81 (No Gas Flap)
98K Miles
Stick
VIN #3705
See pics at http://24.2.178.159
That is as soon as the power comes back on at my home (transformer blew on the street today)
I'm looking to get 13K Firm as I just put in a few thousand dollars worth of work in it. Since the work its turned into a pretty reliable daily driver. For any more details please email me direct at raymckay@home.net. The car and I are located in Northwest CT
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hi all..
this topic has probably already been addressed, but i don't remember seeing
it in the past 6 months that i have been on the list.
is there a cross reference for brake rotors (original parts are quite
expensive)? i will be taking posession of my '82 in august, and the brakes
seem to pulse a little too much for my liking..
thanks..
mike cutting
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Dennis,
I use the fold up sunshade you described in my DMC. I got mine at Walmart.
I think it costs $12.
Brian
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Christopher Mack said:
> I have heard from various sources that DeLoreans
> built during 10/81-12/81 were higher quality than
> other build months. In SSI, it mentions that during
> 11/81 production was DOUBLED from 40 to 80
> cars per day. This being the case, I'd expect DeLorean
> quality to decline since not as much time could be
> spent on each car....Am I right about this or totally
> wrong?? Please let me know
Where did you hear this? I believe it is absolutely wrong. I have heard
the opposite, that these cars had pretty LOW initial quality due to the
production rate increase. Either way, after 18 years initial quality is
just a bit of historical trivia. It has little to do with the cars as
you see them today.
As I understand it, the increased production rate did not reduce the
labor attention given to each car. When they increased production, DMC
hired more workers. It is the learning curve of the new workers that
might have caused initial quality to slip. How well these initial
quality problems were corrected at the QACs could be a good subject for
discussion.
Either way, there is no compelling reason to use the build year/month as
a deciding factor when buying a DeLorean.
IMHO it is a foolish DeLorean buyer who sets such rules for
himself/herself. Anyone who says: "I won't look at any November '81
DeLoreans because of their poor quality," or "I won't look at any May
'81 DeLoreans because they have Ducillier alternators," or even "I will
only look at low mileage DeLoreans because their engines will be in the
best shape," is doing themselves more harm than good.
You might as well say: "I will never buy any DeLorean because the oil in
the crank case must be 18 years old by now!"
Call me crazy, but after 18 years someone has probably changed that
oil. That is what you need to find out. All you can tell from the
build month/year is what questions to ask the previous owner.
There is no substitute for doing your homework.
- Mike Substelny
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> Also at the Nashville Expo I noticed some folks had custom sun shades for
> their windshields.
The folding type inside the car are custom made for each make of car.
They're listed in the J.C. Whitney catalogs and work great. Check the
DeLorean shops for dash mats. I got mine several years ago from one of them
at an DOA Expo from, I belive it was, DeLorean one.
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I have run into a problem with my 81 Delorean and run out of ideas for trouble shooting. The engine had been running great,easy starting and lots of power(for a Delorean). Yesterday while returning from a short trip out of town I noticed a decrease in power during accelration. Then the engine started to miss at idle while at a light or intersection. This morning I made a short trip (2 miles) to the Post Office and the car was running worse,missing and low power. When I pulled into the driveway the engine stalled and now will not stay running.
I have checked all the vacum hoses and the connections. The fuses are all good and have good clean contacts. The fuel tank had been pulled last year and cleaned out and all the parts in the tank replaced (filter screen,pick up tube and fuel pump). All the relays in the system have been replaced over the last 6 months.
The engine has spark at the plugs and the plugs are not fouled. The fuel pump is engaging and running. I filled up all three cars on the same day at the same gas station and the other two are running fine,which should rule out bad fuel.
As it stands now the engine will start very quickly and then just dies out with the rpm dropping off. When the gas pedal is held down the engine will stay running at about 2000 to 2500 rpm. The idle micro switch is working and the idle regulator is humming along(this is a new unit replaced 4 months ago).
The only work I've done over the last three month is top off the A/C with freon. Any ideas?
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Dennis,
I have the Dashmat cover. I had it on my car for the last year and a half.
It stills looks brand new and I drive my car everyday and park out in the
sun. No fade or discoloration. For $40.00 it is okay. There are better
ones made but they cost more, the price reflects the material used. I think
you can make the investment with confidence.
Take note, that a thick material will make the dash look "heavier" and retain
the sun's heat longer which may "bake" the pattern onto the dash itself.
That is the complaint with owners of thicker dash covers.
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Has anyone had any success building a speaker box for the shelf behind
the rear seat? I realize that there are pre-made boxes that will kinda
fit, but I have been trying to build one myself. The box I have
designed has NO 90deg angles, and with my poor carpentry skills, it has
been a tough project.
How much interest would there be if I were to find a shop that would
made a high quality custom speaker box for the DMC? It would be just a
box, you put your own drivers in and hook up your own amplifiers. A
price guess would be in the $150-$200 range.
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Mike
The only thing ever mentioned on the DML has been a source for
cross-drilled rotors. I suppose you could get this place to NOT drill
them. Cross drilled rotors (this will probably start another debate) are
not normally recommended for street driving due to shortened service
life, higher corrosion rate etc.. They are kind of neat looking, though,
and in theory cool faster. You commonly see them on high performance
bikes and race cars.
This address is several years old, let us know how it comes out. Not much
of a savings.
Auto Specialty EBR424R, EBR424L 1-800-275-3617 Ask for Matt Weiss $120 ea
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
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Dennis,
You're right; the porous materiel of the Dash-Mat allows UV's to pass
through, this is because the materiel is designed to allow sound to pass
through from dash mounted speakers. I don't really care for the external
windshield unit for many obvious reasons. The silver coated interior type
is the best, it not only protects the dash but keeps the car much cooler
when exposed to the sun.
Because of the excessive height of the DeLorean windshield you will need to
find a model that will reach the visors, Kmart and Pep Boys sometimes stock
these bigger units.
You mentioned the glove box flap, did you know that if you order the
Dash-Mat unit you can request "no glove box flap". Dash-Mat does not stock
low volume models like the one for the DeLorean. When you call in an order
they go to a CAD computer, select a code, and the mat is cut to spec. If
you request it, they will tell the computer not to cut the flap.
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> Subject: [DML] Sun Protection Questions
> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 2:34 PM
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> Well after 3years in my closet, I finaly installed my new dash which I
had
> picked up at the Ohio/KAPAC gathering Oct 96 (new binnacle included). Now
I
> want to protect them as best I can (short of driving overcast only days)
>
> I have seen the posts about the dash-mat protector avaliable from
Dashmat. I
> saw one in a car at Aspen 2 yrs ago. It looks nice an all but I don't
really
> care for the material they use. It has no apparent backing to speak of
and
> carpet is fairly porous in density. Too me this is fine for hiding damage
> but not so good for protecting against it. Does any one know of another
> availiable source that they might consider better? Possibly one that
doesn't
> have a glove box flap (too me they look tacky) or corners that curl up.
>
> Also at the Nashville Expo I noticed some folks had custom sun shades for
> their windshields. One type was external it rolled out flat on the
> windshield with excess material that was tucked inside the door openings
> then closed to hold in place. I like this the best. The other was a
folded
> type inside the car made of a silvery material double sided. Does anyone
> know if either of these are still avaliable and who to contact.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Dennis GULLWNG 5180
>
>
>
>
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Christopher,
Good question. According to our VIN vs. Frequency of Repairs records there
is some truth to this statement. The answer is "rhythm". The cars with the
more frequent problems were the early cars. As the numbers increased the
quality improved. The factory workers were known to be meticulous, they
wanted every car to be "right". When production was increased the factory
and the workers were ready. So during the time the factory was at "full
bore" the build quality was quite good.
BTW: The cars with the most problems were the ones left idle "on the line"
when the factory would shut down and re-start, days or in some cases,
months later.
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> To: dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] D Quality question
> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 3:48 AM
>
> I have heard from various sources that DeLoreans built during 10/81-12/81
> were higher quality than other build months. In SSI, it mentions that
> during 11/81 production was DOUBLED from 40 to 80 cars per day. This
being
> the case, I'd expect DeLorean quality to decline since not as much time
> could be spent on each car....Am I right about this or totally wrong??
> Please let me know
>
> Thanks
>
> Christopher Mack
> cjmack@jps.net
>
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Richard, check your distributer and ignition timing. If the distributer was loose and turned might give you these simptoms.
Dave
rjm@lrbcg.com wrote:
> The engine had been running great,easy starting and lots of power(for a Delorean). Yesterday while returning from a short trip out of town I noticed a decrease in power during accelration. Then the engine started to miss at idle while at a light or intersection. This morning I made a short trip (2 miles) to the Post Office and the car was running worse,missing and low power. When I pulled into the driveway the engine stalled and now will not stay running.
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I had this same problem. After replacing the injectors, my D ran fine for
about a month. The cause was water in the tank. I didn't get it from bad gas,
I got it from not having the rubber cover on the fuel pump. Something one
does not look for when buying a car. My car was not inside and the rain
runoff had leaked into the tank.Check the back issues of Delorean World,
(Fall1987) in it you will find how to install a plenum drain baffle to keep
the water that runs off the windsheild from getting anywhere near your fuel
pump cover. Check the rubber fuel pump cover first, make sure it is water
tight. Then follow the instructions on how to install this homemade item. DMC
Joe may disagree on what is wrong with your car but the way you describe it,
sounds like my old nightmare. A happy ending to this story is that after
making the repairs to the fuel system, my D has no fuel related problems.
As for the speaker box, contact Rob at PJ's. He had in his car what I called
speaker-zilla. Dont know if he sells it or just made it for his own ride but
it looked and sounded great!
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Kayo,
I am a full supporter of Dash Mat. I bought mine back around 87 or 88.
After about two to three years of use I noticed that my gray dash was
starting to turn brown. The fact is that there is no UV protection. The
carpet materiel is porous to allow dash speaker sound transmission. So I
think owners need to be aware of this.
BTW I still have the mat installed in my 260k mile D.
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> Subject: [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions
> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 4:22 PM
>
> Dennis,
>
> I have the Dashmat cover. I had it on my car for the last year and a
half.
> It stills looks brand new and I drive my car everyday and park out in the
> sun. No fade or discoloration. For $40.00 it is okay. There are better
> ones made but they cost more, the price reflects the material used. I
think
> you can make the investment with confidence.
>
> Take note, that a thick material will make the dash look "heavier" and
retain
> the sun's heat longer which may "bake" the pattern onto the dash itself.
> That is the complaint with owners of thicker dash covers.
>
> Kayo
>
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Richard,
Sounds like your engine is suffering from fuel starvation. The first thing
to do is pull the fuel pump and inspect its position and the position of
the pick up hose. Also check to be sure that the fuel baffle has not become
detached from the bottom of the tank. For further assistance you may e mail
directly.
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> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 4:45 PM
>
>
> I have run into a problem with my 81 Delorean and run out of ideas
for trouble shooting. The engine had been running great,easy starting and
lots of power(for a Delorean). Yesterday while returning from a short trip
out of town I noticed a decrease in power during accelration. Then the
engine started to miss at idle while at a light or intersection. This
morning I made a short trip (2 miles) to the Post Office and the car was
running worse,missing and low power. When I pulled into the driveway the
engine stalled and now will not stay running.
> I have checked all the vacum hoses and the connections. The fuses
are all good and have good clean contacts. The fuel tank had been pulled
last year and cleaned out and all the parts in the tank replaced (filter
screen,pick up tube and fuel pump). All the relays in the system have been
replaced over the last 6 months.
> The engine has spark at the plugs and the plugs are not fouled. The
fuel pump is engaging and running. I filled up all three cars on the same
day at the same gas station and the other two are running fine,which should
rule out bad fuel.
> As it stands now the engine will start very quickly and then just
dies out with the rpm dropping off. When the gas pedal is held down the
engine will stay running at about 2000 to 2500 rpm. The idle micro switch
is working and the idle regulator is humming along(this is a new unit
replaced 4 months ago).
> The only work I've done over the last three month is top off the A/C
with freon. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks Richard J.Myosky
> vin-#4419
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Try the ignition module, that might work. Normally, if it's toast, then the
car won't stay running unless you keep working the accellerator.
Good Luck
Dave Loffler
Moving from Seattle, WA to Providence, RI
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check for a loose or corroded connection on the ballast resistor (left side of fire wall under hinge)
steve brodsky delorean #10688, bricklin #1509
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> I have run into a problem with my 81 Delorean and run out of ideas for trouble shooting. The engine had been running great,easy starting and lots of power(for a Delorean). Yesterday while returning from a short trip out of town I noticed a decrease in power during accelration. Then the engine started to miss at idle while at a light or intersection. This morning I made a short trip (2 miles) to the Post Office and the car was running worse,missing and low power. When I pulled into the driveway the engine stalled and now will not stay running.
> I have checked all the vacum hoses and the connections. The fuses are all good and have good clean contacts. The fuel tank had been pulled last year and cleaned out and all the parts in the tank replaced (filter screen,pick up tube and fuel pump). All the relays in the system have been replaced over the last 6 months.
> The engine has spark at the plugs and the plugs are not fouled. The fuel pump is engaging and running. I filled up all three cars on the same day at the same gas station and the other two are running fine,which should rule out bad fuel.
> As it stands now the engine will start very quickly and then just dies out with the rpm dropping off. When the gas pedal is held down the engine will stay running at about 2000 to 2500 rpm. The idle micro switch is working and the idle regulator is humming along(this is a new unit replaced 4 months ago).
> The only work I've done over the last three month is top off the A/C with freon. Any ideas?
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